the end of the euro in Spain
#151
Re: the end of the euro in Spain
Well I'm pretty bewildered by this alleged "very successful financial sector".
Anybody got any links to this mythical entity?
Anybody got any links to this mythical entity?
#152
Re: the end of the euro in Spain
Exactly! Thats the point - neither are likely to leave the EU anytime soon.
My husband is very interested in the whole political/european thing than I am. A good friend of his is an international financier and they chat about it alot!?? Me????? I'm more concerned about why our christmas tree lights arent working right now!!! But I am interested in people views and where its all heading
Jo xxx
My husband is very interested in the whole political/european thing than I am. A good friend of his is an international financier and they chat about it alot!?? Me????? I'm more concerned about why our christmas tree lights arent working right now!!! But I am interested in people views and where its all heading
Jo xxx
#154
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Re: the end of the euro in Spain
Cameron by being so arrogant and undiplomatic has isolated the UK politically at a time when countries need all the support and alliances they can get
Cameron could have got a good deal for the City by being diplomatic, negotiating, being friends with the European leaders and making some unimportant concessions at the last moment so that Sarkozy and Merkl could have gone back to their countries saying they have full support of their proposals.
Instead he stook 2 fingers up at them.
History shows that heavily indebted countries with little international support do one of two things - they go bankrupt and into poverty, or into civil war (or both). Best of luck!
#155
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Spain has a lot less debt than the UK - and they have already got rid of their budget defecit. They have done everything and more that Europe has asked of them. In fact they are one of the few countries in Europe who actually abide by the terms of Euro membership (having a trade deficit of less than 3%)
#156
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Re: the end of the euro in Spain
It's that time of the year, I've just come down from the loft, getting the Christmas tree down. And a coffee and sandwich has just arrived!
#157
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That's to be applauded, by why if Spain is in such good shape financially as you tell us, is their borrowing rate bouncing around 6.5%, whilst UK has been even below Germany. A month ago Britain’s government was able to borrow at the lowest rate since 1898. We hear lots of supposition about whether Spain will or won't need a rescue package, according to the man from S&P, the UK is "stable" at the moment, and in better shape than most of the EU countries. I'm not pretending that UK isn't in the mierda, but a lot would swap, they are in a lot deeper than us.
#158
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That's to be applauded, by why if Spain is in such good shape financially as you tell us, is their borrowing rate bouncing around 6.5%, whilst UK has been even below Germany. A month ago Britain’s government was able to borrow at the lowest rate since 1898. We hear lots of supposition about whether Spain will or won't need a rescue package, according to the man from S&P, the UK is "stable" at the moment, and in better shape than most of the EU countries. I'm not pretending that UK isn't in the mierda, but a lot would swap, they are in a lot deeper than us.
Spains debt is sold as high levels because the mainly US/UK traders think Spain = poor and useless. It is an emotional response rather than one based on the numbers. Basically it is racism or playground bullying...
On Spain and Europe's part. They were stupid to allow a free market system to be essentially only regulated by 3 of 4 US ratings agencies. Of course they will favour the UK/US model, it is what they know and who they respond to e.g. the boss of S&P got a huge dressing down by Obama when he degraded US debt. That he even talked to Obama at all shows that they are not independent and should not be taken seriously
Hence why the EU now is talking about self-regulating, so they are not at the mercy of the US.
#159
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The EU is a political union, the Euro is a monetry union
Cameron by being so arrogant and undiplomatic has isolated the UK politically at a time when countries need all the support and alliances they can get
Cameron could have got a good deal for the City by being diplomatic, negotiating, being friends with the European leaders and making some unimportant concessions at the last moment so that Sarkozy and Merkl could have gone back to their countries saying they have full support of their proposals.
Instead he stook 2 fingers up at them.
History shows that heavily indebted countries with little international support do one of two things - they go bankrupt and into poverty, or into civil war (or both). Best of luck!
Cameron by being so arrogant and undiplomatic has isolated the UK politically at a time when countries need all the support and alliances they can get
Cameron could have got a good deal for the City by being diplomatic, negotiating, being friends with the European leaders and making some unimportant concessions at the last moment so that Sarkozy and Merkl could have gone back to their countries saying they have full support of their proposals.
Instead he stook 2 fingers up at them.
History shows that heavily indebted countries with little international support do one of two things - they go bankrupt and into poverty, or into civil war (or both). Best of luck!
#160
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Got to make my own cuppa, hubby has man flu and glued to the settee, I even told him putting the kettle on would warm him up didn't work
#161
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Re: the end of the euro in Spain
Well, although its unlikely Spain will throw you out, you may find the restrictions on work, education and health care for pensioners etc restricted if the UK completely isolates itself from the rest of Europe
Some people would still be alright, but maybe people couldnt stay if they werent able to work or access the state health or education systems. All the British pensioners for example who benefit from the health agreement between the UK and Spain. If that were to be taken away, many may have to go home
Some people would still be alright, but maybe people couldnt stay if they werent able to work or access the state health or education systems. All the British pensioners for example who benefit from the health agreement between the UK and Spain. If that were to be taken away, many may have to go home
That sounds the way things could possibly go, if anything was to change in the first place, Spain would not throw anyone out, but if certain priveledges are taken away, like health care for pensioners by the UK gov, and free prescriptions for pensioners stop, many will find it impossible to stay, due to the extra cost.
There might even be a restrictions as to what benfits can be drawn in Spain that are paid for from the UK, DLA and stuff, but I think all the cuts will only come from the UK side, to keep money in the UK economy and to appease the electorate.
#162
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Look, I don't have the inclination to play games, welcome back whoever you are but I think you will find that the rest of us were discussing the subject, you decide to try and trow a weak insult. Go away or lear to play nice.
But we haven't mate, did you read the Spectator article? Nothing has changed, all we have done is opt out of being involved in Europe wide austerity measures, measures that in many people, not just Cameroon, feel are damaging to Europe... he is not the lone voice he is made out to be, others in Europe feel the same way but their politicians all want a place at the trough when Germany starts dishing out money, you know that as well as I do mate.
Trade will still be free, we will still be involved in Europe and all will be well with the world, but just how this "26" will work when not all are in the same classification in Europe will be interesting, my bet? It will last for a while then fall apart and we will all be back to renegotiate.
Read my post again. It has nothing to do with Labour / Conservative ..... it has to do with distancing ourselves from something that is very good for the country. No matter what some other people think on here, even by trade standards, the EU is something unfortunately we have to be a major part of.
Trade will still be free, we will still be involved in Europe and all will be well with the world, but just how this "26" will work when not all are in the same classification in Europe will be interesting, my bet? It will last for a while then fall apart and we will all be back to renegotiate.
#163
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Cameron could have got a good deal for the City by being diplomatic, negotiating, being friends with the European leaders and making some unimportant concessions at the last moment so that Sarkozy and Merkl could have gone back to their countries saying they have full support of their proposals.
But we'll never know will we!
#164
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Look, I don't have the inclination to play games, welcome back whoever you are but I think you will find that the rest of us were discussing the subject, you decide to try and trow a weak insult. Go away or lear to play nice.
But we haven't mate, did you read the Spectator article? Nothing has changed, all we have done is opt out of being involved in Europe wide austerity measures, measures that in many people, not just Cameroon, feel are damaging to Europe... he is not the lone voice he is made out to be, others in Europe feel the same way but their politicians all want a place at the trough when Germany starts dishing out money, you know that as well as I do mate.
Trade will still be free, we will still be involved in Europe and all will be well with the world, but just how this "26" will work when not all are in the same classification in Europe will be interesting, my bet? It will last for a while then fall apart and we will all be back to renegotiate.
But we haven't mate, did you read the Spectator article? Nothing has changed, all we have done is opt out of being involved in Europe wide austerity measures, measures that in many people, not just Cameroon, feel are damaging to Europe... he is not the lone voice he is made out to be, others in Europe feel the same way but their politicians all want a place at the trough when Germany starts dishing out money, you know that as well as I do mate.
Trade will still be free, we will still be involved in Europe and all will be well with the world, but just how this "26" will work when not all are in the same classification in Europe will be interesting, my bet? It will last for a while then fall apart and we will all be back to renegotiate.
#165
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Re: the end of the euro in Spain
If you dont think that what has happened will make us more of a minor player as far as the big power base of the EU is concerned .... then I'm not quite sure why. Look at it as a club. If one of the club members causes trouble then the other members just get tired of them eventually, and we are always seen as a country that isnt really sure if we want to be in the club or not.