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Dick Dasterdly Nov 11th 2011 10:31 pm

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 9728799)
Interesting. I read the website of Martin Varsavsky (an Argentinean entrepreneur who's settled in Madrid - the guy behind Jazztel, Fon and many others) and he wrote the following article, quoting oficial figures, that stated crime figures had actually gone down whilst unemployment went up. [in Spanish]

http://spanish.martinvarsavsky.net/m...idad-baja.html

The comments are quite interesting. For example they point out that small scale crimes may longer get reported. Even so, it makes you think.

I doubt that the fact that so many E.Europeans and N.Africans left Spain when the recession really began to hit is simply a coincidence regarding the drop in crime figures.

bil Nov 11th 2011 11:48 pm

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9728871)
I doubt that the fact that so many E.Europeans and N.Africans left Spain when the recession really began to hit is simply a coincidence regarding the drop in crime figures.

Can you imagine what would happen to the English crime figures if all the pikeys went back to Ireland?

HBG Nov 12th 2011 8:41 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
A difficult one, Bil. The big difference would be if Jamaicans went back home, but the black crime is now being committed by their grandchildren who are as British as you and I.

Anyway, it's dangerous territory. Crime committing Pikeys are a tiny minority of the bigger picture; poverty causes crime, it always has done. Politicians stay clear of the subject, it's an admission of failure on their part.

bil Nov 12th 2011 8:50 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9729433)
A difficult one, Bil. The big difference would be if Jamaicans went back home, but the black crime is now being committed by their grandchildren who are as British as you and I.

Anyway, it's dangerous territory. Crime committing Pikeys are a tiny minority of the bigger picture; poverty causes crime, it always has done. Politicians stay clear of the subject, it's an admission of failure on their part.

I agree that there is no easy answer. Shame really.

steviedeluxe Nov 12th 2011 8:52 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

poverty causes crime, it always has done
I'd agree, but only up to a point. You can be as poor as a church mouse, but if your parents are strict and you live in a village where everyone can see what you're up to... you probably won't turn to crime. In the city you have a lot more negative peer pressure, oportunity to commit crime etc. Add into the mix fewer opportunities to be gainfully employed in bad times (you try chopping off branches in a city park for firewood), and you have a recipe for wrong-doing.

HBG Nov 13th 2011 7:45 pm

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
If you live in a big city like London, it's dead easy to prove that poverty leads to crime, though not an experiment I would recommend.

Dress as you would for the office, take a briefcase, and walk a mile along the streets at midnight. If you start off at Westminster, you would probably make it, if you kept to the north of the river.

If you started off at Dalston Junction you would be relieved of your briefcase long before the end of your walk.

Hackney is the poorest borough in the land, Westminster the richest. It really is that simple.

rugbymatt Nov 14th 2011 8:04 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
No.

licinius Nov 14th 2011 9:24 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
It's not just burglary, theft that increase during times of recession. People are left frustrated & angry so violent crime will rise also. We are already seeing a resurgence of football hooliganism & this trend will continue to rise as more & more young men discover the channel for their anger.

bil Nov 14th 2011 9:26 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
In times of financial hardship, this is said to give impetus to the politics of the right.

Dick Dasterdly Nov 14th 2011 9:29 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 9732729)
In times of financial hardship, this is said to give impetus to the politics of the right.

So pray tell me how that conclusion is arrived at, as I would have expected the reverse to be the case. ? :confused:

licinius Nov 14th 2011 9:30 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by bil (Post 9732729)
In times of financial hardship, this is said to give impetus to the politics of the right.

1920/30's Germany being a classic example

rugbymatt Nov 14th 2011 9:35 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 
Black people steal more than white people.


( Well since we are making unsubstantiated claims I might as well join in)

Unmutual Nov 14th 2011 9:44 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9732750)
Black people steal more than white people.

I believe that crime statistics in the US do demonstrate that.

Particularly so for more serious crime. Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 51.2% of the murders.....and it was calculated that a black person is 5.6 times more likely than a white person to be a murderer.

Source here!

rugbymatt Nov 14th 2011 9:46 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by Unmutual (Post 9732767)
I believe that crime statistics in the US do demonstrate that.

Particularly so for more serious crime. Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 51.2% of the murders.....and it was calculated that a black person is 5.6 times more likely than a white person to be a murderer.

Source here!

I don't live in America..... do you?

Unmutual Nov 14th 2011 9:53 am

Re: Does austerity lead to crime?
 

Originally Posted by rugbymatt (Post 9732768)
I don't live in America..... do you?

No....but I don't think the UK figures are that different.

Twelve per cent of London’s men are black. But 54 per cent of the street crimes committed by men in London, along with 46 per cent of the knife crimes and more than half of the gun crimes, are thought by the Metropolitan Police to have been committed by black men.

Source HERE!


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