steviedeluxe

The new law change as mentioned in this article may be of interest

http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/04/17/...70_146975.html

Rotor

It just shows what morons are running the show ,with NI being from around 400 p.m for a full time employee it makes it unworkable/unviable .

The only way to collect revenue to pay for all the crooked activities and ****ups that have gone on for donkeys years is to raise fuel tax, and I`m a self confessed petrol head!

sujee

I am an unpaid domestic servant. At least that's how I am classed officially.

Seems in Spain men retire and women become housewives.

JLFS

What a load of rubbish the article is, it will be impossible to monitor, I know of a few cases where "help" is used.

It would be impossible to have a contract for the workers, as due to the actual situation regular hours cannot be stipulated.

The workers gets cash in had for the hours worked.

An Aunt of mine has helped out an old couple for years, The husband now in his 80s has had dementia for years, my aunt can only go to work when he is having a good day, as it is impossible when he his bad, nobody knows what kind of day it will be till he wakes upm so planning ahead is usually useless.

If hours had to stipulated they would not be able to pay for the "unworked" hours, as they could not afford it.

Most domestic help arrangements cannont and do not fit in to the "working day" pattern of other types of jobs, ie shops offices etc,

I also know quite a few families who have help, but they are not well off, they have pretty normal jobs themselves, dont earn a great lot, but with an hour or 2 in the mornings having someone to take the children to school, they can manage.

Abyss-Rover

"Do you hire domestic servants?"

This is one of the reasons why the expat community is looked down on. These people are human beings and slavery went out a long time ago.

lynnxa

did you actually read the article??

it has nothing to do with 'expats', except for the mention that most of the domestic workers are immigrants

Abyss-Rover

"The article" that you mention, says nothing about "Servants". It does mention "domestic service", "household cleaners", "domestic employee" and the "household workers' organization" but not "Servants".

So, unless I am mistaken, it was an expat that wrote this thread and put the title to it..............

lynnxa

I don't think he's actually an expat

Abyss-Rover

Then I stand corrected.

jackytoo

I had help Fridays and Mondays in Spain, would have been a bit expensive to have to pay 200+ for SS. Same happens in the UK....in the hand. The UK rule is that it is the cleaners (insert whatever word you like!) responsibility to pay as self-employed as they usually work for 3 or 4 different households. Different if you employ someone for 40 hours.

Rosemary

Like you I would not expect to become involved with payroll stuff to have someone in the house for such a short amount of time. I wonder how many cleaners etc do pay a stamp etc in either country.

Rosemary

lynnxa

my cleaner pays autónomo payments afaik - I do know she gets healthcare so I suppose she must be paying..........

steviedeluxe

According to the article a little under half pay in Spain

I imagine that if you have enough guaranteed hours, then it makes sense to sign up for the health (includes family?) and pension benefits. As others have stated, it wouldn't make any sense for someone only doing a few hours here and there to do this.

anonimouse

Would crew members cleaners and cooks on ones boat be classed as servants?