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Dick Dasterdly Mar 9th 2011 9:50 am

It could get shaky
 
......according to geologists, especially if you live down South,... so if one night you think the earth is moving, you could well be right.

http://www.costa-news.com/index.php?...008&Itemid=119

Apparently a bad one is just about due.
The last big one certainly caused a fair bit damage, as well as much loss of life.
Won't do the property market the world of good either.:huh:

jdr Mar 9th 2011 9:15 pm

Re: It could get shaky
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9229093)
......according to geologists, especially if you live down South,... so if one night you think the earth is moving, you could well be right.

http://www.costa-news.com/index.php?...008&Itemid=119

Apparently a bad one is just about due.
The last big one certainly caused a fair bit damage, as well as much loss of life.
Won't do the property market the world of good either.:huh:

Yeah right, name a year and I will have a bet against you. :rofl:

Dick Dasterdly Mar 9th 2011 10:18 pm

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 9230220)
Yeah right, name a year and I will have a bet against you. :rofl:

Well even the experts can't name the exact year.
However if you allow me a little bit leeway,say within 50 years either side, then I'll be happy to take you on. :sneaky:

EsuriJohn Mar 9th 2011 10:34 pm

Re: It could get shaky
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9229093)
......according to geologists, especially if you live down South,... so if one night you think the earth is moving, you could well be right.

http://www.costa-news.com/index.php?...008&Itemid=119

Apparently a bad one is just about due.
The last big one certainly caused a fair bit damage, as well as much loss of life.
Won't do the property market the world of good either.:huh:

Over in our corner we seem to get one every year just off the west coast of Portugal how much damage depends on the depth of the epicenter. A couple of years back it was shallow and some older masonary properties in Portugal and Spain were damaged and I think 2 killed on the Algarve and one in Spain.

The Building regs in Spain have been pretty good for a few years with regard to Earthquake protection and if the property complies with the regs even a 6+ quake will not demolish it but internal and cosmetic external damage will occur. Old masonary properties are a different kettle of fish some might survive undamaged some might loose the chimney killing someone in bed and others might be demolished completely.

jdr Mar 10th 2011 1:39 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9230310)
Well even the experts can't name the exact year.
However if you allow me a little bit leeway,say within 50 years either side, then I'll be happy to take you on. :sneaky:

:rofl: I`ll be long gone by then.

jimenato Mar 10th 2011 3:16 am

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A lot of the village houses around here are stone built with no (or very little) mortar and the roofs are reinforced concrete slabs - I reckon they weigh at least a tonne per metre. If one of those comes down on you you'll know about it.:eek:

Dick Dasterdly Mar 10th 2011 4:20 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 9230633)
:rofl: I`ll be long gone by then.

Why do you think I hedged my bet ? :sneaky:

Dick Dasterdly Mar 10th 2011 4:30 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 9230818)
A lot of the village houses around here are stone built with no (or very little) mortar and the roofs are reinforced concrete slabs - I reckon they weigh at least a tonne per metre. If one of those comes down on you you'll know about it.:eek:

Quite a few years ago,I recall seeing several deserted villages in remote areas of Andalucia which looked like they'd been affected by earthquakes or unstable ground.
Most of the houses appeared to be very old, certainly not of modern construction and had sizable cracks in the walls and roofs that had collapsed

Fred James Mar 10th 2011 5:28 am

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9230334)
The Building regs in Spain have been pretty good for a few years with regard to Earthquake protection and if the property complies with the regs even a 6+ quake will not demolish it but internal and cosmetic external damage will occur.

We built our house nearly 10 years ago and had to have a full geological survey which included an assessment of the earthquake risk - we are right in the fault area.

The size of the foundations and the degree of reinforcement amazed me - at one point we had a queue of 5 cement lorries lined up to fill them.

Things have certainly changed regarding building regs in the last 20 years or so.

EsuriJohn Mar 10th 2011 5:54 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 9231064)
We built our house nearly 10 years ago and had to have a full geological survey which included an assessment of the earthquake risk - we are right in the fault area.

The size of the foundations and the degree of reinforcement amazed me - at one point we had a queue of 5 cement lorries lined up to fill them.

Things have certainly changed regarding building regs in the last 20 years or so.

Same for us 5 years ago the amount of reinforcement in the basements and the quality of the concrete was suberb. My comment as a professional civil engineer was if there is a nuclear war thats the place for friends and family.

megmet Mar 10th 2011 10:48 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9230963)
Quite a few years ago,I recall seeing several deserted villages in remote areas of Andalucia which looked like they'd been affected by earthquakes or unstable ground.
Most of the houses appeared to be very old, certainly not of modern construction and had sizable cracks in the walls and roofs that had collapsed

In our three years living in inland Andalucia I've felt quite a few earth tremors!
I'm not going to worry too much about there being a big one though.....the fact that the land all around here is unstable, with sink holes appearing after heavy rain is much more of a concern. :unsure:

HBG Mar 10th 2011 7:22 pm

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Anyone a bit nervous about earthquakes had better stay off the news channels this morning. The big one has hit Japan, but the tsunami is expected in Hawaii in five hours time and will probably get as far as the west coast of the US.

I too live in an earthquake zone, my nearest town was completely destroyed 150 years ago. You can take sensible measures to protect yourself but if an earthquake of the magnitude of the one hitting Japan right now strikes, there is little you can do.

EsuriJohn Mar 10th 2011 8:35 pm

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Originally Posted by HBG (Post 9232251)
Anyone a bit nervous about earthquakes had better stay off the news channels this morning. The big one has hit Japan, but the tsunami is expected in Hawaii in five hours time and will probably get as far as the west coast of the US.

I too live in an earthquake zone, my nearest town was completely destroyed 150 years ago. You can take sensible measures to protect yourself but if an earthquake of the magnitude of the one hitting Japan right now strikes, there is little you can do.

Yes over 7 is a biggggg one but first reports suggest that Tokyo has not been damaged too much. Their Building regs have been amongst the best in the world alongside Calafornia for many years now. I would worry if I was in an area with sink holes I would think the kind of soils there would be susceptible to liquifaction as in the recent quake in NZ.

Mitzyboy Mar 10th 2011 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9232343)
Yes over 7 is a biggggg one but first reports suggest that Tokyo has not been damaged too much. Their Building regs have been amongst the best in the world alongside Calafornia for many years now. I would worry if I was in an area with sink holes I would think the kind of soils there would be susceptible to liquifaction as in the recent quake in NZ.

I think you'd better check again.

The Japanese quake is a real disaster
I just watched the waves sweeping over the countryside catching up with people fleeing down the roads in their cars

The oil terminal is just a huge ball of fire. Ten meter waves. Rivers sweeping buildings and cars down with them.

Google:

Tsunami Alert for New Zealand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Hawaii, and others. Waves expected over the next few hours, caused by 8.9 earthquake in Japan.

EsuriJohn Mar 10th 2011 9:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 9232359)
I think you'd better check again.

The Japanese quake is a real disaster
I just watched the waves sweeping over the countryside catching up with people fleeing down the roads in their cars

The oil terminal is just a huge ball of fire. Ten meter waves. Rivers sweeping buildings and cars down with them.

Google:

Tsunami Alert for New Zealand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Hawaii, and others. Waves expected over the next few hours, caused by 8.9 earthquake in Japan.

Sorry watched the 5am news on BBC and it was just coming in and the wave had not hit just looking at Sky news at the Tsunami wave coming and the commentary quite rightly is telling us of the incredable amount of energy in the millions of tonnes of water coming ashore at more than 96kph. Just told us that a fire has broken out at a Nuclear Power station. The whole of the west coast of USA has been put on alert. Now film of the fire and it is still burning. 8.9 off the coast is now the size. that is bad!!!!!

Dick Dasterdly Mar 10th 2011 9:39 pm

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 9230220)
Yeah right, name a year and I will have a bet against you. :rofl:

Well they got the year right, just a tad out with the location.

Some fairly dramatic vid on the TV news, cars washed away by the thousand, boats as well.
Hopefully loss of life won't be excessive.

Dick Dasterdly Mar 10th 2011 10:16 pm

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Apparently there could be an issue with the nuclear power stations.
Although they have automatically shut down, there are problems supplying enough electricity to keep the cooling pumps going, which in turn could allow overheating, which in turn could cause a bigger catastrophe than the earthquake and tsunami put together.
Hopefully the Japs are smart enough to keep them under control.

Dick Dasterdly Mar 10th 2011 10:33 pm

Re: It could get shaky
 
.....and for all you Sun readers out there, keep an eye on the Moon.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...her-chaos.html

Dick Dasterdly Mar 11th 2011 8:48 pm

Re: It could get shaky
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9232495)
Apparently there could be an issue with the nuclear power stations.
Although they have automatically shut down, there are problems supplying enough electricity to keep the cooling pumps going, which in turn could allow overheating, which in turn could cause a bigger catastrophe than the earthquake and tsunami put together.
Hopefully the Japs are smart enough to keep them under control.

Oops,
Not looking so good, radiation leak reported.
Pleased to be on the other side of the globe right now.
Hopefully not another Chernobyl.

EsuriJohn Mar 11th 2011 9:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9234424)
Oops,
Not looking so good, radiation leak reported.
Pleased to be on the other side of the globe right now.
Hopefully not another Chernobyl.

Yes but distance is not all depends on wind direction and strength. My sister, hubby and two daughters are/were hill farmers in deepest mid-Wales. After Chernobyl they all developed thyroid problems it is now under control but lifetime medication. It is now accepted that the cloud descended on uplands in mid-Wales and animals are still bought in and destroyed after grazing. However this was not known about for a long time and back in the day farmers would often slaughter a lamb/pig/cow and share/swap with neighbours. Who knows how it happened but they get no assistance and have to pay for their own prescriptions! It could just be that 3 out of the 4 might have the problem from genetics but not all four.

Dick Dasterdly Mar 11th 2011 9:32 pm

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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 9234456)
Yes but distance is not all depends on wind direction and strength. My sister, hubby and two daughters are/were hill farmers in deepest mid-Wales. After Chernobyl they all developed thyroid problems it is now under control but lifetime medication. It is now accepted that the cloud descended on uplands in mid-Wales and animals are still bought in and destroyed after grazing. However this was not known about for a long time and back in the day farmers would often slaughter a lamb/pig/cow and share/swap with neighbours. Who knows how it happened but they get no assistance and have to pay for their own prescriptions! It could just be that 3 out of the 4 might have the problem from genetics but not all four.

Seems the wind is blowing out to sea at present away from populated areas.
I well remember the livestock restrictions after Chernobyl, lasted for quite a few years.
Fortunately it doesn't seem to be a Chernobyl situation,..... yet.

jackytoo Mar 11th 2011 10:12 pm

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Dick did you get a premonition when you started this thread:blink::)

Dick Dasterdly Mar 11th 2011 11:40 pm

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 9234511)
Dick did you get a premonition when you started this thread:blink::)

Er no, as I said according to the Sun, it's all down to the Moon.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...her-chaos.html

Looking at their dates there could be even worse yet to come, from next week on.

There were also some minor disturbances in Spain a week or more back which damaged some ramshackle houses in the hills and the fronts of a few cave houses.

I see they have decided to flood the damaged reactor with sea-water, which means it will likely be a write off regardless of any further developments.

betris Mar 12th 2011 2:58 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9232495)
Apparently there could be an issue with the nuclear power stations.
Although they have automatically shut down, there are problems supplying enough electricity to keep the cooling pumps going, which in turn could allow overheating, which in turn could cause a bigger catastrophe than the earthquake and tsunami put together.
Hopefully the Japs are smart enough to keep them under control.

there was no problem with the back up motors to drive the generators when they were honda.then they switched to ROVER to save money.now they just wont start.:confused:

Dick Dasterdly Mar 12th 2011 8:56 pm

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Situation at the nuclear plant looking very dodgy again.

One old guy picked up 9 miles out to sea sitting on the roof of his house.

Some really dramatic video clips coming in now, looks like armageddon.

jimenato Mar 12th 2011 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9234673)
Er no, as I said according to the Sun, it's all down to the Moon.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...her-chaos.html

Looking at their dates there could be even worse yet to come, from next week on.

There were also some minor disturbances in Spain a week or more back which damaged some ramshackle houses in the hills and the fronts of a few cave houses.

I see they have decided to flood the damaged reactor with sea-water, which means it will likely be a write off regardless of any further developments.

Don't worry - it's all nonsense.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...se-earthquake/


The pseudoscience

The UK newspaper Daily Mail has a shameful article up asking if the Japan earthquake was caused by this "supermoon". While they do ask a geologist and an astronomer about it — and they both say it’s silly — the article spends quite a bit of its space whipping up fears that the gravity of the Moon will cause volcano eruptions and earthquakes.
I’ll note that the person who is making this claim, and who first called this effect a "supermoon", is an astrologer. Yeah. Let me be clear here as well: astrology doesn’t work. At all
An Astrologer:rofl::rofl:

jay01 May 12th 2011 12:06 am

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Think someone would have lost the bet, as the shake came this year and only a couple of months after the first post :rofl:


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