Jon-Bxl

As I mentioned earlier when I spoke to Priinet, they weren't bothered by this. We can see why now.

We don't need a Orange mobile as with the new EU regs all calls cost the same with no roaming. So our Belgian mobiles cost the same calling within Belgium and also to say Spain. The plans that some people take eg free minutes etc will now apply within the EU. We never took these plans as you have to pay monthly and as we travel significantly outside Belgium, we don't want to pay the monthly cost for something we don't use a good chunk of the time. So we are Pay and Go, and are without doubt, the best for us. However we can now consider monthy plans with the new EU rules.

The same monthly cost argument applies to internet, when we are not there. Priinet wins hands down for that.

So in 12 months Orange will have an option to charge more than these already high prices comparatively.

Interesting that there is no initial offer though.

Proviso: If Priinet can deliver the speed / download we pay for - even in busy times then for us this is no competition, even if we were living permanently in CE. For us in our situation, where streaming HDTV is our toughest internet requirement.... all our other internet usage is less resource hungry than this. We also need an unlimited download - as streaming uses up a lot of GB.

Its a big investment for Orange, I wonder how many will take it up and if as a result they will jack up the prices later.

Jon

Jon

Fred R

Rather than trying to second-guess what any provider offering a fibre-based Internet access service might deliver (whether Fibre to the Premises, FTTP, or Fibre to the Cabinet, FTTC) wouldn't it make sense to wait and see what is actually offered in terms of installation and ongoing charges, bandwidth, download limits, service availability etc? When this information is published then people can compare it to Priinet for their own specific needs.

Also, ref the recent EU abolition of mobile roaming charges, the 'Roam like at Home' legislation only applies to calls to/from the country where your mobile is registered - calling another EU country from home will still incur extra charges.

Regards

MikeJ

Very sorry - just trying to be helpful. Wasn't trying to second guess just pointing to Orange's existing charges. Please ignore any posts you don't like. Although if it hadn't been for this thread very few people would have even been aware that fibre optic is here in CE.
PS: As there are no cabs it's almost certainly FTTP from the distribution panels I described earlier.

johnnyone

I have just checked my revised terms (I am with Three) and it appears that I can no longer use my mobile as a wifi hotspot when abroad. I do not know if other operators have changed their terms but it may be worth checking out.
Fortunately I also have a mifi data sim that is not affected.

Jon-Bxl

Mike put the costs of Orange fibre, and so upon seeing them, Priinet became the clear winner for us and our usage - as I mentioned in the reply. Any additional installation costs etc only make the decision 'more obvious', for us. All the other stuff about download limits, fttc cabs etc etc... are not important vs priinets unlimited download, monthly cost and special low price when away. Again with the proviso that they deliver what I pay for (and they mostly have done for over a year). For us if we were even full time resident we would stay with priinet vs oranges pricing that Mike posted.

Re the EU charges, hmmm... my provider in Brussels told me that there was no charges across Europe, but I will check it out again, thanks. This was their marketing dept trying to hook me on a contract and off PAYG (pay-as-you-go)

I also saw this

EU mobile roaming charges have been scrapped | WIRED UK

Quote:

The wholesale cap, announced in February, was the final piece of the roaming puzzle that will enable people to move freely around the European Union without paying any extra to use their phone. Those on a mobile contract in an EU country will be able to use their available allowance of calls, texts and data as they would in their home country while pay-as-you-go customers will pay the same rate regardless of what EU country they are in



So please can you confirm that say a 10 minute call (for me - a Belgian mobile phone contract) say (1) from Spain to Belgium will NOT cost the same as a 10 min call from Belgium to Spain .... and (2) a 10 min call from Spain to a friend in the UK will NOT cost the same? I think this is what you said.

Thanks
Jon

glaisboy

I have recently signed up to priinet and paid 89 euros for the installation.I am very pleased with the service but my brother who lives in Ayamonte had his priinet installation 4 days later and he paid 59 euros.When I asked priinet why the difference they said there is a promotion in Ayamonte area. Once again Esuri loses out it appears that everything is more expensive than the town or am I just imagining it.

MikeJ

Don't let paranoia get to you .
I think €89 installation (which includes €20 returnable for the router) has been their standard charge since they started. You can't blame them for making marketing offers to new target customers. They did a special offer for CE when they were starting here. I just hope they make use of the new fibre optics to underpin their service. It's noticeable that the QOS drops off a bit in the summer when there are a lot more users on CE.

Araneda

You are right Mike, I live in Costa Esuri and only found out about the fibre optic through this forum!

MikeJ

Fred R please stop reading now as I don't want to annoy you.

I popped into the Orange shop in Ayamonte to enquire about Fibra optic but they couldn't (wouldn't) tell me. My Spanish is not good enough to enquire further (unless they want two beers )
They gave me a catalogue in which the following information appears:

Home Fibra
300mb -Cobertura directa; 28.95€ (6 meses) Despues 37.95€
50mb - Cobertura directa; 16,95€ (6 meses) Despues 25,95€
(18,95€/mes cuota de lines no include)
Router Includio:- Livebox con WiFi ac or Livebox con WiFi n

So, I'm with priinet for the foreseeable

bitmanev

hmmm, i will stay with my MiFi 4G router on MEO for now

Fred R

Jon-Bxl

I realise quoting myself is not considered good form, but as an update I have found out the rules. These apply to Belgium, but as its an EU wide regulation I think it applies throughout.

In most cases of people visiting second homes - this is what it means to us:-

1. A call FROM Belgium to another EU country is classified as an international call and will have a rate normally higher. So if you have a UK provider calling OUT of the UK costs more (typically - depending on your package). So using a Spanish SIM to call the UK will be (normally) costly.
   
2. Once I am out of Belgium calls to any EU country is the same as calling from home to the home country (i.e the local rate). So calling back home or other EU country is local rate.
   
3. If you have a pack of say minutes and data and SMS - these can be used up when traveling in the EU just as at home. As we travel a lot, this may be worth my considering now. Before it was a waste of money for me to pay a monthly payment and not use it for the several months we are away. However I am sticking to PAYG for a few months to see if I even need a pack, in these days of WhatsApp, Skype etc (and with us often in places with free wifi) - or at home. It may be best to just pay the local rates for mobile calls or open my 4G data connection and PAYG. Not bothering with any package.

There are some more complex rules, as Fred mentioned, but for the kind of use that I believe most of us have, we shouldn't fall foul of them. Its a bit onerous to read (as you would expect from the EU) but here are the official rules Roaming in the EU. Charges, fair use policy and caps. - Your Europe Onerous aside this is a good thing that the EU have done

I have a dual sim phone, so technically I could get a Spanish SIM and use that when I call out of Belgium to save the international charge (as in 1 above), but this is a breaking of the rules, but my usage would be so low I doubt that the Spanish providers will block me, and if they do - its not a big deal.

A couple of questions:

1. Does anybody know where I can purchase a PAYG sim in Spain/Portugal, please?
   
2. Would it be cheaper (typically) to make a Whatsap/skype call and pay the data used, or just to call normally with a cellphone call, please?

On another point:
Please note I get a security warning when I try and log in saying this site is not safe. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...urce=inproduct

I will contact the mods.

Cheers
Jon

MikeJ

A1a: MEO in VRSA. They can do both data and voice SIMs.

A1b: Orange shop in Ayamonte (in the street which runs from Laguna Square towards the Boozy Elephant) Note: The coverage map suggests that you can get pretty good 4G in Ayamonte so that might be a better option. The OH gets 4G in ME but I don't know which provider, although the same map shows no coverage in the top end of CE so the new mast is not yet operable (or the map is out of date

Jon-Bxl

Thanks Mike

I thought a SIM was both data and voice, mine does that. I think the Orange is a good idea as we are neighbours and it works for your OH. Good to know I can just get a SIM only.

Its HOT here - but at the moment not so humid and we have a breeze, great in the shade.!

Jon

EsuriJohn

The mast near the shop is owned by Telefonica and operated by Movistar. It is definitely 4G and of course our signal is very strong. However despite our iPhones showing 5 bars it does not show 2, 3 or 4G. But we are running UK giffgaff sims. If you have a Spanish sim it shows 4G. However if we use the phone for Internet it is very fast so must be 4G.
There are definitely data only options available on giffgaff so I guess most providers offer this option for mifi users.