HBG

I’m sorry, Bil, I normally agree with your logic, but your post indicates that you’ve heard from someone after they’ve died. Now, that’s a subject that interests me no end, and ignoring logic, perhaps it has happened?

I’m going to stop here because it’s well off topic and I don’t want to be responsible for getting such a long-running thread moved, but I couldn’t resist commenting.

To redeem myself, every time it gets really cold we look for extra means to heat the house thinking about anything from logs to gas heaters to boost our electric ones, and then the temperatures rise again, like today, and we wonder what the fuss was about.

anonimouse

Ah yes my neighbors do this with hot ashes in a tin thing underneath, it's remarkably warm under there too, (pity about the rest of the house). I've had many an invite to join them while having a drink and eating mackrel that I thought was Tuna.

I can't wait to get back, I miss them and my village life so much after trying life in other parts of Europe.

anonimouse

We 've got a cracking wood burner here and in Spain, recommend them to anyone who's Cold, we tried a gas fire with a bottle in and the condensation all over the house was sheer hell.

bil

In my line of work we would occasionally come across the tragic results of a too cavalier attitude to monoxide.

'Cos I'm a sad anal git I used to read up on stuff like that, so I'd know what I was talking about. That was basically a pathologist's run down on what was involved.

bil

Yeah, well, those catalytic burners produce over two litres of water per kilo of gas burnt, so it's hardly surprising is it?

Add that to a room with cold walls, and you are well away.

bil

Hot embers and ash under the table can produce more monoxide than I would be really happy with. If you start getting a headache, worry.

anonimouse

Interesting, is that just bottled gas or does mains gas do that too?

bil

Well, it would if you burnt it like that. Mains gas appliances tho vent to outside so the water they produce goes outside.

Look at it like this. For an element like Hydrogen, oxygen and carbon, the 'weight ' is twice the atomic number. (except Hydrogen which is one.)

So, H weighs 1, C weighs 12 and O =16.

gas is usually butane which has the formula C4 H10. This weighs 48+ 10 = 58

It produces when burnt 5H2O H20 weighs 18, so x 5 = 90

So for every 58g of gas you get 90g = 90 ccs of water.

If it's natural gas, it's far worse. CH4 weighs 16 and gives 2H2O which weighs 36, ie per kilo gas, more than 2 litres of water.

(Caveat, check my figures as I'm crap with numbers.)

megmet

I was fortunate that as my husband was already retired when we moved here I was entitled to free health care as his dependant, and now in my own right.
So far I can't fault it, I'm permanently on several different medications all of which I had to pay for in the UK, here from day they have been free.

HBG

We finally caved in yesterday and bought an Estufa, the gas man cometh this morning with the ammunition and we need to sign a new contract, at least, that’s what the man said, ‘Manana, por la manana’. Of course he’ll be here this morning, made a promise didn’t he?

And what’s happened overnight? The sun’s out this morning and it’s mild enough to have doors and windows open. If the gas man doesn’t come, it won’t matter.

I’m hoping the technology of these gas heaters has improved since we last used them, people have said on this thread that they don’t smell, well, I remember different.

w1ldcat

Its not that cold, its cold in scotland. At last sun is out and bit windy. Sick of the thunder storms and rain.

bil

A new gas fire can smell due to the paint etc warming and releasing a few solvents etc. However, beyond that first bit, they shouldn't smell, as that is often an indication that some of the products of combustion are escaping into the room.

steviedeluxe

Cold in most of the UK. It's the coldest December in living memory - the only cold spells I can remember in December tended to last just a few days. Apparently an extra 300 people a day are dying

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/851254-b...-300-every-day

Lionda

It isn't that cold

steviedeluxe

Are you really in the uk?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2163615.html