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Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 11323448)
It’s quite easy to get blasé after a while. ‘Let the silly Arabs get on with it – they’ve been squabbling with each other for hundreds of years’.
That’s what I thought this morning until I watched the news. I need to travel to the US again, it’s of financial benefit to me. I vowed never to return after some hassle with those fat and smelly monsters from homeland security. It now appears the security checks are going to get even worse. I don’t know if I can handle those horrible people touching me again, I really don’t. I don’t know if the money can compensate me for even having to look at those horrible people, never mind answering their stupid questions. Travelling from Madrid doesn’t help, you seem to be immediately relegated to third world status. I think I’ll stay where I am. 'While in the USA do you intend to have sexual relations with any underage children?' ...and I'm honestly not paraphrasing much. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11323550)
The one time I flew to America (many years ago and hopefully never again) one of the questions I was asked on the questionnaire I was given to fill in during the flight was...
'While in the USA do you intend to have sexual relations with any underage children?' ...and I'm honestly not paraphrasing much. Seems as though their stupidity is infectious, judging by some of the drivel on our adjacent forum. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11323550)
The one time I flew to America (many years ago and hopefully never again) one of the questions I was asked on the questionnaire I was given to fill in during the flight was...
'While in the USA do you intend to have sexual relations with any underage children?' ...and I'm honestly not paraphrasing much. The militant Muslims similarly have not had a homeland as such and this new country in Syria and Iraq should serve the same purpose as the state of Israel. It’s a human emotion to get rid off our troublesome people and killing them would be too barbaric. So we sent our undesirables, our thieves, to Australia and our religious nuts to America, both places where they have since thrived. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 11323585)
The militant Muslims similarly have not had a homeland as such and this new country in Syria and Iraq should serve the same purpose as the state of Israel. But their ambitions are greater. They don't just want an Islamist state for themselves they want everyone else to join the party. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 11323453)
in their eyes Israel doesn't exist, and will not in a couple of years time according to the game plan.
perhaps a bitter pill or piece too large to swallow that will delay plans for Spain by a year or two |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by stuboy
(Post 11323628)
I understand that these people want a Islamist state governed by whatever interpretation of Sharia Law they choose. If I thought that for a minute such a state could exist in isolation or would provide a long term solution to the region then I would give it more thought.
But their ambitions are greater. They don't just want an Islamist state for themselves they want everyone else to join the party. Like everyone else they have the opportunity to win the heart and minds of the electorate and win them round. To do it by using the AK47 as a polling card is not acceptable. Nor is wanting to take boundaries back to the Middle Ages with Middle Ages diplomacy but using the same AK47. So who is funding these people ?? Is this Al Qaeda funded and controlled from the background ?? |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Funding is not a problem, Muslim banks are awash with money for reasons not necessarily relevant to this discussion.
What is relevant is the fear Isis is spreading around it's sphere of influence. The Iraqi border guards on the Saudi border have fled and the Saudis have had to move 30,000 soldiers to guard a silly border in a silly desert where nobody lives. Isis is terrifying its opponents. We don't understand what is happening in that part of the world, we haven't got a clue. All we can sensibly do is guard our homes in the UK. I saw the news about shootings in Birmingham earlier today involving Somalis or similar foreigners. This needs to stop. These people need to be sent back to where they come from. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 11324343)
Funding is not a problem, Muslim banks are awash with money for reasons not necessarily relevant to this discussion.
What is relevant is the fear Isis is spreading around it's sphere of influence. The Iraqi border guards on the Saudi border have fled and the Saudis have had to move 30,000 soldiers to guard a silly border in a silly desert where nobody lives. Isis is terrifying its opponents. We don't understand what is happening in that part of the world, we haven't got a clue. All we can sensibly do is guard our homes in the UK. I saw the news about shootings in Birmingham earlier today involving Somalis or similar foreigners. This needs to stop. These people need to be sent back to where they come from. 208,000 passports handed to migrants in one year | Mail Online 208,000 passports given to immigrants last year. and how many £millions are spent on legal aid with appeal after appeal whilst the individual lives in the community and builds up a binding relationship with a cat. But I am not saying I disagree with your sentiment, just waiting for the rabbit warren to open up and to be hit with the R pointy finger. ` |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
"Citizens"? Is this a new classification which is different from citizens?
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Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 11324189)
Then it will be following Israel as a state founded on religion and not on more esoteric grounds.
Like everyone else they have the opportunity to win the heart and minds of the electorate and win them round. To do it by using the AK47 as a polling card is not acceptable. Nor is wanting to take boundaries back to the Middle Ages with Middle Ages diplomacy but using the same AK47. So who is funding these people ?? Is this Al Qaeda funded and controlled from the background ?? |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11324400)
"Citizens"? Is this a new classification which is different from citizens?
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Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by lutonlad
(Post 11324829)
The point you're making ?
she hasn't even noticed that I didn't use a capital "c" as she has, which if allowed to do so could mean a totally different context. I make no apology for taking this opportunity to quote from Wiki... Citizenship is the status of a person recognised under the custom or law of a state that bestows on that person (called a citizen) the rights and the duties of citizenship. That may include the right to vote, work and live in the country, the right to return to the country, the right to own real estate, legal protections against the country's government, and protection through the military or diplomacy. A citizen may also be subject to certain duties, such as a duty to follow the country's law, to pay taxes, or to serve in the military. A person may have multiple citizenships and a person who does not have citizenship of any state is said to be stateless. Nationality is often used as a synonym for citizenship in English[1] – notably in international law – although the term is sometimes understood as denoting a person's membership of a nation (a large ethnic group).[2] In some countries, e.g. the United States, the United Kingdom, nationality and citizenship can have different meanings (for more information, see Nationality#Nationality versus citizenship). perhaps now would be a good time to bring back National Service and see how many cop out due to religious reasons. At which point benefits for them and their families would stop. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Bringing back National Service is a step too far, but I’m aware of the latest comment from another highly qualified former Army General to say that our current armed forces are no longer able to deal with a determined terrorist threat from within our country. We can’t send drones into Cardiff or Birmingham.
I own a flat in East London which is now in a totally Muslim area; I bought it 40 years ago when it was a largely white suburb, a bit on the rough side but typically East End. Whenever I walk down the local streets now, you can smell the hostility of the new occupants, you can see the hatred in their eyes merely because you are a white person. There are very few white people left and their pubs are now Mosques. The various terrorists arrested and convicted recently all come from those streets, born and bred Londoners. I think it would need an army to sort it out, an army much larger than the one we have now. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 11325328)
Bringing back National Service is a step too far, but I’m aware of the latest comment from another highly qualified former Army General to say that our current armed forces are no longer able to deal with a determined terrorist threat from within our country. We can’t send drones into Cardiff or Birmingham.
I own a flat in East London which is now in a totally Muslim area; I bought it 40 years ago when it was a largely white suburb, a bit on the rough side but typically East End. Whenever I walk down the local streets now, you can smell the hostility of the new occupants, you can see the hatred in their eyes merely because you are a white person. There are very few white people left and their pubs are now Mosques. The various terrorists arrested and convicted recently all come from those streets, born and bred Londoners. I think it would need an army to sort it out, an army much larger than the one we have now. God help us if we have to have the Army patrol the streets of London like we had to do in Northern Ireland. It really will be all over bar the shouting. It is the Police, and especially the Anti-terrorist Squad's duty to keep control of Britain's streets, not the Army's. |
Re: The caliphate of Andalus.
Originally Posted by two tubes of toothpaste
(Post 11325365)
The Bow Street runners were set up to control the lawlessness of the East End, superseded by Robert Peel's Police.
God help us if we have to have the Army patrol the streets of London like we had to do in Northern Ireland. It really will be all over bar the shouting. It is the Police, and especially the Anti-terrorist Squad's duty to keep control of Britain's streets, not the Army's. Tottenham was only a couple of years ago, wasn’t it? The police to control our streets? If it got serious they couldn’t, the army couldn’t; it would need a drastic political movement from our citizens. Something like UKIP times a thousand, with bells on it. |
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