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Old May 10th 2010, 8:36 am
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
That is exactly what I was saying... you said it much more succinctly than I did.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
How would you answer your own question?

Usually people put their own opinion about their posts, you have given us some facts as to why it is wrong to be denied this payment, but have not given us your answer yet.

Most people on the forum dont know much about these things, for most it is just another tale of "let downs" by the government, like people being refused cancer drugs on the NHS.

The fact that the UK is ignoring the EU law, and as you say cannot continue, but it has continued for 3 years, so what doe you think GB or DC plans are on this matter?
I am afraid that all the law and Regulations are very complicated and I cannot advise you on all the whys-and-wherefors.

The Regulation below is current and ongoing. This applies to UK citizens who have moved from UK to EU i.e Spain to be able to apply for DLA etc after they have moved to another EU country. It was passed by Judge John Mesher who acts on behalf of the Upper Tribunal of the EEU. This was passed in October 2007. So, as UK have been hiding behind a bush for 3 years and have not abided by the EU law, this is why it is ongoing. But the UK have now run out of time to comply and will be brought to Justice by the EEU.

"The UK were acting in breach of Article 10a (10) of Council Regulation 1408/71 and now, as May 2010, Article 6 of Regulation 883/2004"

There are many other Articles and Regulations with regards to my original post, but I cannot mention them all.
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Old May 10th 2010, 8:37 am
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Just put your boxers on the right way, you are making me nervous
I quite like them on this way round, its quite handy after the Thai curry I had last night.
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Old May 10th 2010, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
I quite like them on this way round, its quite handy after the Thai curry I had last night.
The airlines are already suffering with the Volanic ash, please don t add to the chaos with nocious gas.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
What RM is saying is that all these benefits come out of money collected in through taxes.

When it say that these benefits are not based on NI contributions or Tax, it means that the "receiver" of said benefits does not have to have paid tax or NI to "receive" the benefit in question.

But ALL benefits are paid out of money "donated" by the Taxpayer, that is why taxes are collected, to pay for benefits, health service, education etc.

Where do you think that the money comes from to pay the benefits out.
Ok, well I have paid N.I and taxes all my working life and was on a high salary before I became ill (I didn´t become ill on purpose, promise). So lets just say that MY children are getting their CB and CTC out of the money I paid into the UK system.
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I am afraid that all the law and Regulations are very complicated and I cannot advise you on all the whys-and-wherefors.

The Regulation below is current and ongoing. This applies to UK citizens who have moved from UK to EU i.e Spain to be able to apply for DLA etc after they have moved to another EU country. It was passed by Judge John Mesher who acts on behalf of the Upper Tribunal of the EEU. This was passed in October 2007. So, as UK have been hiding behind a bush for 3 years and have not abided by the EU law, this is why it is ongoing. But the UK have now run out of time to comply and will be brought to Justice by the EEU.

"The UK were acting in breach of Article 10a (10) of Council Regulation 1408/71 and now, as May 2010, Article 6 of Regulation 883/2004"

There are many other Articles and Regulations with regards to my original post, but I cannot mention them all.
Quoting facts is all well and good.

You asked for our opinion as to what Brown or Cam would do about benefits, what do you think the PM will do?

We have said that as it will be low on their priorites, not much will be done in the very near future.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
Quoting facts is all well and good.

You asked for our opinion as to what Brown or Cam would do about benefits, what do you think the PM will do?

We have said that as it will be low on their priorites, not much will be done in the very near future.
Like you, I don´t know, thats why I asked in the first place.
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Ok, well I have paid N.I and taxes all my working life and was on a high salary before I became ill (I didn´t become ill on purpose, promise). So lets just say that MY children are getting their CB and CTC out of the money I paid into the UK system.
Who says this is just about you?
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Ok, well I have paid N.I and taxes all my working life and was on a high salary before I became ill (I didn´t become ill on purpose, promise). So lets just say that MY children are getting their CB and CTC out of the money I paid into the UK system.
It does not work like that, people do not pay for themselves or their own "needs and rights".

If that were the case, the childless couples would not have to pay any taxes towards education or child benefit (which they do).

So when we lived in the UK our childrens education was also paid for by childless friends of ours.

It is not a question of "I put so much in so I sould get so much out".

I have never been in hospital in my life, hardly been to the doctor, so even though my proportion of tax I paid towards health care was not "used up", I still cano¡not say my children are entitled to it because I paid for it through taxes.

Also following you train of thought, if you are long term ill, then you would have already used up more than your NI and tax contributions on your own treatment.

I am only saying this to give you an example of why you cannot say that your children are entitled because you paid for it for X number of years as a UK tax and NI payer.
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Originally Posted by crustycrab
This was in context to a question from JLFS. I don´t believe I was asking for your opinion Mr Hijacker.

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If you choose to ask questions on an open forum you'll get answers and responses you dont like. Its not contructive or pleasant to insult those who give them

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Like you, I don´t know, thats why I asked in the first place.
We are quite a mixed bunch on here, we are jack of all trades master of none.

Most of us on here dont really care either way what the ruling is, we all have our own issues.

If someone like you, who has all the fact, figuers and ruling to hand doesnt know, do you really expect us to.

We are more little bit of this little bit of that type posters, but I have noticed that most of your post seem to be related to this one subject.

Are there no other forums where this could be discussed without distractions.

After all I can understand the posts from UK taxpayers questioning the wisdom of paying benefits to people who choose to leave the UK to live a life in the sun.

Especially now that the UK on the wohole is suffering and cust will have to be made.

I am sure a lot on here would think that paying benfits abroad is a good place to start the cuts.
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It does not work like that, people do not pay for themselves or their own "needs and rights".

If that were the case, the childless couples would not have to pay any taxes towards education or child benefit (which they do).

So when we lived in the UK our childrens education was also paid for by childless friends of ours.

It is not a question of "I put so much in so I sould get so much out".

I have never been in hospital in my life, hardly been to the doctor, so even though my proportion of tax I paid towards health care was not "used up", I still cano¡not say my children are entitled to it because I paid for it through taxes.

Also following you train of thought, if you are long term ill, then you would have already used up more than your NI and tax contributions on your own treatment.

I am only saying this to give you an example of why you cannot say that your children are entitled because you paid for it for X number of years as a UK tax and NI payer.
My medical treatment is through BUPA, so I pay privately. So I do believe that I have not "used" up all my N.I contributions. And my N.I contributions are now being paid by Incapacity Benefit, so I won´t run out unless they stop IB. If this was the case then I would top up my N.I credits privately.
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Its funny, you are the only one hijacking this thread... you need to stop listening to whispers.


My personal opinion is that I find it very distasteful that taxes paid in the UK go to benefit someone living it up in Spain... just like I feel that heating allowances paid to people in Spain is wholly wrong.
Hello, is anyone in. I started this Thread so how am I hijacking it. You are the one with the "reputation" for hijacking on this forum, not me.

Heating Allowance is paid to the pensioners who have paid into the UK system all their lives, longer than you, so are more than entitled to heating allowances. I assume you have never been to Spain, or anywhere out of the UK for that matter. If you had then you would know that Spain is bloody cold in the Winter months. Have you ever heard of the "Sierra Nevada", it´s a big mountain with snow all over it and people ski and snowboard their. And here is a bit more education for you, SNOW IS COLD.

But as I live in the south, but can still see the snow in the distance, I just lay about all day on the lovely HOT beach, drinking Sangria and living it up and YOU are paying for it. Shame I know. So if thats what you want to believe then go ahead Mr Hijacker.
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Hello, is anyone in. I started this Thread so how am I hijacking it. You are the one with the "reputation" for hijacking on this forum, not me.

Heating Allowance is paid to the pensioners who have paid into the UK system all their lives, longer than you, so are more than entitled to heating allowances. I assume you have never been to Spain, or anywhere out of the UK for that matter. If you had then you would know that Spain is bloody cold in the Winter months. Have you ever heard of the "Sierra Nevada", it´s a big mountain with snow all over it and people ski and snowboard their. And here is a bit more education for you, SNOW IS COLD.

But as I live in the south, but can still see the snow in the distance, I just lay about all day on the lovely HOT beach, drinking Sangria and living it up and YOU are paying for it. Shame I know. So if thats what you want to believe then go ahead Mr Hijacker.
... and as someone with infinitely more patience than me has tried to explain, just because you or anyone else has "paid in all their lives" it doesn't mean they are entitled to take that money to Spain and spend it on their economy.
Like I said, you need to stop listening to rumours and malicious gossip, there are plenty of people on here who hijack plenty of threads but are left to do so. Stop being a sheep.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
We are quite a mixed bunch on here, we are jack of all trades master of none.

Most of us on here dont really care either way what the ruling is, we all have our own issues.

If someone like you, who has all the fact, figuers and ruling to hand doesnt know, do you really expect us to.

We are more little bit of this little bit of that type posters, but I have noticed that most of your post seem to be related to this one subject.

Are there no other forums where this could be discussed without distractions.

After all I can understand the posts from UK taxpayers questioning the wisdom of paying benefits to people who choose to leave the UK to live a life in the sun.

Especially now that the UK on the wohole is suffering and cust will have to be made.

I am sure a lot on here would think that paying benfits abroad is a good place to start the cuts.
You wouldn´t say that if you moved away from UK. And anyway, people do not have to post on this Thread, no one is being forced to. I ask a simple question and all I get is insults. It seems strange that people have the time to type messages, as it is 09.20am in UK, does no one work, or are the poor company people are working for paying for the use of their internet facilities.
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