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If Gordon Brown gets lucky and stays in his house.

What are his plans for benefits i.e New claims for DLA applied from outside UK (as he is still ignoring EEU Regulations) and Long-Term Incapacity Benefit.

Anyone have any sensible answers.
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Originally Posted by crustycrab
If Gordon Brown gets lucky and stays in his house.

What are his plans for benefits i.e New claims for DLA applied from outside UK (as he is still ignoring EEU Regulations) and Long-Term Incapacity Benefit.

Anyone have any sensible answers.
In contrast to Cameron who has promised to reduce cabinet minister salaries,
Brown will probably continue to increase them whilst allowing them to fiddle any benefits they can get their hands on.
The rest of you will just have to wait and hope he drops you a few crumbs.
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I don't think it matters who ocupies No. 10. All benefits will be harder to get and possibley means tested in an effort to repay the nations debts.
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Originally Posted by crustycrab
If Gordon Brown gets lucky and stays in his house.

What are his plans for benefits i.e New claims for DLA applied from outside UK (as he is still ignoring EEU Regulations) and Long-Term Incapacity Benefit.

Anyone have any sensible answers.

havent we just had a similar thread, but with "if Cameron gets in".

I dont think anyone can answer either question, I dont think the policy on claiments for benefits who live outside the UK was mentioned in the pre election rallies.

I dont think that they would dare have mentioned it because with all the cuts and unemployment, crisis and all the other things which are more of an interest to the British public who actually live in the UK, it would have seemed like rubbing salt in the wounds of the public, and the candidates involved would have got a lot of stick.

And there would have been very little support from the voters, I dont think they would have much interest in the subject as most voters are looking to see which party will do the best for their particular circumstances ie local matters, tax and thikgs that affect a very large number of the electorate.

It is only natural that the MPs try to appease the home voters, before they start to look further afield.
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havent we just had a similar thread, but with "if Cameron gets in".

I dont think anyone can answer either question, I dont think the policy on claiments for benefits who live outside the UK was mentioned in the pre election rallies.

I dont think that they would dare have mentioned it because with all the cuts and unemployment, crisis and all the other things which are more of an interest to the British public who actually live in the UK, it would have seemed like rubbing salt in the wounds of the public, and the candidates involved would have got a lot of stick.

And there would have been very little support from the voters, I dont think they would have much interest in the subject as most voters are looking to see which party will do the best for their particular circumstances ie local matters, tax and thikgs that affect a very large number of the electorate.

It is only natural that the MPs try to appease the home voters, before they start to look further afield.
Fine, but the UK can not ignore the Ruling of the European Parliament i.e Judge John Mesher as they have done since October 2007. Neither can any other EU country. I am 100% British and have paid all my N.I and Taxes until I became ill. So I think it is a fair query as to what will happen to the expats that have paid into the system all their working lives and decided to move to another EU country. And also the UK are their compentant State. Why should they be ignored just because they have set foot on different soil.

If UK didn´t let everyone into the country to start with, then half the problems would not have come about in the first place. So maybe it´s time to look closer to home and not elsewhere.

Remember the UK Goverment are paying full Child Benefit to children in Poland who have never even set foot on British soil. Their parents go to UK just so they can claim Child Benefit which is 4 times more than they would get in Poland. Thats where a lot of the money is going!
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
In contrast to Cameron who has promised to reduce cabinet minister salaries,
Brown will probably continue to increase them whilst allowing them to fiddle any benefits they can get their hands on.
The rest of you will just have to wait and hope he drops you a few crumbs.
Very apt, I feel like I´ve been stuffed like a Bernard Matthews turkey, so a few crumbs would be most welcome
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Fine, but the UK can not ignore the Ruling of the European Parliament i.e Judge John Mesher as they have done since October 2007. Neither can any other EU country. I am 100% British and have paid all my N.I and Taxes until I became ill. So I think it is a fair query as to what will happen to the expats that have paid into the system all their working lives and decided to move to another EU country. And also the UK are their compentant State. Why should they be ignored just because they have set foot on different soil.

If UK didn´t let everyone into the country to start with, then half the problems would not have come about in the first place. So maybe it´s time to look closer to home and not elsewhere.

Remember the UK Goverment are paying full Child Benefit to children in Poland who have never even set foot on British soil. Their parents go to UK just so they can claim Child Benefit which is 4 times more than they would get in Poland. Thats where a lot of the money is going!
I just gave my opinion to your post, as nobody knows what the next PM will do or when they will do it, so it is all speculation.

I personally think that the PM will want to be seen to be breaking eggs with big sticks as far as the electorate is concerned.

So I presume that they will want to sort out bigger items on their agenda, to try and win over the maximum amount of the public.


I dont know how many are affected by this situation that you yourself are in, but although it may be important to you and others with similar cases, I cant see it taking priority over other matters, like the crisis and all the other problems in the UK.

And to be honest this situation would be very low on the priorities of the British taxpayer.

The fact that child benefit is being sent to Poland and other countries is a bone of contention for the British voter, and it would not be a smart move for the new government to pull the stops out to send more money abroad in the way of benefits.


And Europe is busy trying to alliviate the problems with Greece.

You asked for a sensible answer to your question, I think that my answer is sensible, I am trying to think as the PM- I may be totally wrong on this, and for people in your situation I hope I am, but surley you can see that even though people are being wrongly denied thier rightfull benefits now, no new PM is going to pull all the stops out to get this particular problem sorted.
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I just gave my opinion to your post, as nobody knows what the next PM will do or when they will do it, so it is all speculation.

I personally think that the PM will want to be seen to be breaking eggs with big sticks as far as the electorate is concerned.

So I presume that they will want to sort out bigger items on their agenda, to try and win over the maximum amount of the public.


I dont know how many are affected by this situation that you yourself are in, but although it may be important to you and others with similar cases, I cant see it taking priority over other matters, like the crisis and all the other problems in the UK.

And to be honest this situation would be very low on the priorities of the British taxpayer.

The fact that child benefit is being sent to Poland and other countries is a bone of contention for the British voter, and it would not be a smart move for the new government to pull the stops out to send more money abroad in the way of benefits.


And Europe is busy trying to alliviate the problems with Greece.

You asked for a sensible answer to your question, I think that my answer is sensible, I am trying to think as the PM- I may be totally wrong on this, and for people in your situation I hope I am, but surley you can see that even though people are being wrongly denied thier rightfull benefits now, no new PM is going to pull all the stops out to get this particular problem sorted.
I take your point, but the UK or any other country that are in the EU can not ignore the Rulings of the European Union. Unfortunately the UK will soon be brought to justice for totally ignoring this Regulation. (Plus the DWP are to this day denying any knowledge of this Regulation). And as it was passed in 2007, the UK have had more than enough time to sort this out, but have chosen to ignore what the EU law has passed. The EU will not let it drop, once a law has been passed it has to be followed. The UK can´t bury their heads in the sand for ever. I don´t make up the rules, I am a nobody, but the UK decided to join the EU "family umbrella" and have to abide by their Rulings. The UK put themselves in this awful position to start with and are not taking responsibility for their actions.

At the end of the day, I hope that who ever is elected can apease one and all, where-ever in the EEU they decide to live, but I doubt it.
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I just gave my opinion to your post, as nobody knows what the next PM will do or when they will do it, so it is all speculation.

I personally think that the PM will want to be seen to be breaking eggs with big sticks as far as the electorate is concerned.

So I presume that they will want to sort out bigger items on their agenda, to try and win over the maximum amount of the public.


I dont know how many are affected by this situation that you yourself are in, but although it may be important to you and others with similar cases, I cant see it taking priority over other matters, like the crisis and all the other problems in the UK.

And to be honest this situation would be very low on the priorities of the British taxpayer.

The fact that child benefit is being sent to Poland and other countries is a bone of contention for the British voter, and it would not be a smart move for the new government to pull the stops out to send more money abroad in the way of benefits.

And Europe is busy trying to alliviate the problems with Greece.

You asked for a sensible answer to your question, I think that my answer is sensible, I am trying to think as the PM- I may be totally wrong on this, and for people in your situation I hope I am, but surley you can see that even though people are being wrongly denied thier rightfull benefits now, no new PM is going to pull all the stops out to get this particular problem sorted.
The way I see it is, I have worked for most of my life and paid into the system (I am 43 and am classed as a "Pensioner" here is Spain because I exported by Longterm Incapacity benefit to Spain), happily I have not resorted to a blue rinse and twin-set and pearls, but give it time, so subsequently have supported others in the UK who were on benefits at the time I was able to work through me tax and N.I payments. Now I cannot work then it should work the other way too. UK is my compentant State, so I am afraid they are still responsible for me. Like it or not.
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I cant tell you what is likely to happen to your claim. But some things that have been pointed out to me recently, altho arent necessarily the case, are another way of looking at it.

1/ NI, National Insurance, if you liken it to any other insurance, once you stop paying into it you're no longer covered. You cant go back to any other insurance company that you no longer pay into and expect to be covered

2/ When Polish and other EU members are paying into the NI they can claim benefits. Once they return to poland and stop paying NI they can no longer claim, I assume the same Polish were to work in Spain and pay into their system, they would be eligible for the Spanish child benefits, if they have such a thing here

3/ If you were in the UK, at least the benefits they would be paying you would go back into the UK system and help with the upkeep of businesses and the country

4/ As for the UK being responsible for you? Its a tall order for anyone or any country to have to be responsible for those who leave. Responsibility has to end eventually

That said, they have been paying you and whether they will continue to do so, no one knows. I doubt even they do right now - heck I dont think any of them even know which ways up. So you are going to have to wait and see what happens. There is no one who can give you any sensible answers - not even the government, because they cant even decide who that is

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I cant tell you what is likely to happen to your claim. But some things that have been pointed out to me recently, altho arent necessarily the case, are another way of looking at it.

1/ NI, National Insurance, if you liken it to any other insurance, once you stop paying into it you're no longer covered. You cant go back to any other insurance company that you no longer pay into and expect to be covered

2/ When Polish and other EU members are paying into the NI they can claim benefits. Once they return to poland and stop paying NI they can no longer claim, I assume the same Polish were to work in Spain and pay into their system, they would be eligible for the Spanish child benefits, if they have such a thing here

3/ If you were in the UK, at least the benefits they would be paying you would go back into the UK system and help with the upkeep of businesses and the country

4/ As for the UK being responsible for you? Its a tall order for anyone or any country to have to be responsible for those who leave. Responsibility has to end eventually

That said, they have been paying you and whether they will continue to do so, no one knows. I doubt even they do right now - heck I dont think any of them even know which ways up. So you are going to have to wait and see what happens. There is no one who can give you any sensible answers - not even the government, because they cant even decide who that is

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Its a great shame, but unfortunately one of the worse sides of human nature that most people cast their votes for the party they think will quickly give them most of the freebies and hand outs they are looking for, rather than for the party that makes tough decisions, that may actually benefit both the country and themselves in the long term.
Unfortunately thats the way it is in all walks of life now,from benefits to returns on business investments,..want it,..want it now.
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I cant tell you what is likely to happen to your claim. But some things that have been pointed out to me recently, altho arent necessarily the case, are another way of looking at it.

1/ NI, National Insurance, if you liken it to any other insurance, once you stop paying into it you're no longer covered. You cant go back to any other insurance company that you no longer pay into and expect to be covered

2/ When Polish and other EU members are paying into the NI they can claim benefits. Once they return to poland and stop paying NI they can no longer claim, I assume the same Polish were to work in Spain and pay into their system, they would be eligible for the Spanish child benefits, if they have such a thing here

3/ If you were in the UK, at least the benefits they would be paying you would go back into the UK system and help with the upkeep of businesses and the country

4/ As for the UK being responsible for you? Its a tall order for anyone or any country to have to be responsible for those who leave. Responsibility has to end eventually

That said, they have been paying you and whether they will continue to do so, no one knows. I doubt even they do right now - heck I dont think any of them even know which ways up. So you are going to have to wait and see what happens. There is no one who can give you any sensible answers - not even the government, because they cant even decide who that is

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Hi Jo,

Child benefit is a tax-free benefit paid to most people with children. You do not need to have paid any national insurance contributions to get Child Benefit and it does not matter how much money you have coming in. So other people coming to UK from the EU do not even have to work or have paid any N.I before they can claim CB.

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Its a great shame, but unfortunately one of the worse sides of human nature that most people cast their votes for the party they think will quickly give them most of the freebies and hand outs they are looking for, rather than for the party that makes tough decisions, that may actually benefit both the country and themselves in the long term.
Unfortunately thats the way it is in all walks of life now,from benefits to returns on business investments,..want it,..want it now.

I hate talking politics - if only cos I'm not a political animal and dont know enough, but altho you're very right with a lot of the population - and that thought is growing IMO. There are still alot of folk around who actually want the country to be successful and are fully prepared to make fair sacrifices and to realise that its not going to be easy for anyone! I think your comments also apply to the political parties attitudes!

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Hi Jo,

Child benefit is a tax-free benefit paid to most people with children. You do not need to have paid any national insurance contributions to get Child Benefit and it does not matter how much money you have coming in. So other people coming to UK from the EU do not even have to work or have paid any N.I before they can claim CB.

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But people coming into the country or expats do have to pay NI or they dont qualify! The only reason we're able to claim it while I live in Spain is because my husband is working and paying in the UK. If he stops so does the child allowance, which I'm not eligible to claim anymore - he has to. Nationalities who simply arrive in the UK can only claim if they are allowed to register into our system, and to do that they have to work, unless they are granted assylum. Its a bit of a myth that just anyone can turn up in the UK and claim everything

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Hi Jo,

Child benefit is a tax-free benefit paid to most people with children. You do not need to have paid any national insurance contributions to get Child Benefit and it does not matter how much money you have coming in. So other people coming to UK from the EU do not even have to work or have paid any N.I before they can claim CB.

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I think one of the parents has to be working in the UK and paying tax to enable them to qualify for Child benefit.
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