Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
According to Spanish law only residents within the European Economic Area can claim deductions on their Spanish rental properties if they are not Spanish tax residents. So after Brexit, if a Brit, who is not a Spain tax resident, will have to pay a higher tax rate on their Spanish rental income plus no longer be able to claim any deductions. Am I right to think most of the people in this category will decide to sell their rentals? I wonder how many people are in this situation; could we see a flood of properties enter the market?
No arguments about Brexit please. |
Re: Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
To be fair to m2m2012 please keep replies strictly to the question asked because any comments about Brexit will be removed as that is not the subject.
Rosemary |
Re: Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
Originally Posted by m2m2012
(Post 12780108)
According to Spanish law only residents within the European Economic Area can claim deductions on their Spanish rental properties if they are not Spanish tax residents. So after Brexit, if a Brit, who is not a Spain tax resident, will have to pay a higher tax rate on their Spanish rental income plus no longer be able to claim any deductions. Am I right to think most of the people in this category will decide to sell their rentals? I wonder how many people are in this situation; could we see a flood of properties enter the market?
No arguments about Brexit please. Tax rates:
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Re: Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12780168)
People always had to pay the bills and the only difference is that they might not be able to deduct expenses that were never guaranteed in the first place. The Tax rate differences are also not that huge and if you're making a profit, it can't be that bad. It's still a profit
Tax rates:
We don't rent ours out so its not going to be important. I suppose if you had a property that rented for €1000 a week you might think about it. |
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So "assuming the owner pays tax" :omg_smile: that would mean that someone renting for an average of €1000 a week would have to pay €3120 more than a spanish resident (based on the above €1000/week avg. rental - and assuming 100% occupancy)
what are the "expenses" that can be claimed ? (maybe) |
Re: Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12780168)
People always had to pay the bills and the only difference is that they might not be able to deduct expenses that were never guaranteed in the first place. The Tax rate differences are also not that huge and if you're making a profit, it can't be that bad. It's still a profit
Tax rates:
You are correct the the tax rate will be 5% more, not a huge rise but not being able to claim insurance costs, maintenance, repairs, agent fees (if any), mortgage payments (if any) is a big deal! To put it simply, the change is from paying 19% tax on NET income, to paying 24% tax on GROSS income...that's huge difference. |
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Originally Posted by m2m2012
(Post 12780243)
Thanks for your reply.
You are correct the the tax rate will be 5% more, not a huge rise but not being able to claim insurance costs, maintenance, repairs, agent fees (if any), mortgage payments (if any) is a big deal! To put it simply, the change is from paying 19% tax on NET income, to paying 24% tax on GROSS income...that's huge difference. https://www.thelocal.es/20190909/ren...ast-five-years |
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Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12780247)
But then again landlords have increased the rents and are making more than before.
https://www.thelocal.es/20190909/ren...ast-five-years My guess is many Brit landlords who are non tax residents of Spain don't know what's about to hit them; many will decide to sell up and get out. |
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Originally Posted by m2m2012
(Post 12780265)
I think a Spanish landlord's expenses have gone up over the past five years, maybe that's why the rent increases...anyway, whether rents and expenses have gone up is beside the point.
My guess is many Brit landlords who are non tax residents of Spain don't know what's about to hit them; many will decide to sell up and get out. |
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We rent our place out as a summer holiday rental and yes it will and has made a difference to how we think, we are now only taking bookings over July and August as they have by far the highest yield so are worth it for hassle, it will of course put up all La Renta end of year tax as well, so in our case probably €80 a year.
I can't see why you're unable to offset the agency fees though as these are deducted before you receive money, in our case anyway so they can't tax you on money you haven't earned, as far as offsetting other costs there's very little that can be anyway, certainly in our case, only the IVA which i presume can still be claimed back if your IVA registered |
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Originally Posted by Longlegpete
(Post 12780552)
We rent our place out as a summer holiday rental and yes it will and has made a difference to how we think, we are now only taking bookings over July and August as they have by far the highest yield so are worth it for hassle, it will of course put up all La Renta end of year tax as well, so in our case probably €80 a year.
I can't see why you're unable to offset the agency fees though as these are deducted before you receive money, in our case anyway so they can't tax you on money you haven't earned, as far as offsetting other costs there's very little that can be anyway, certainly in our case, only the IVA which i presume can still be claimed back if your IVA registered Well done :-) |
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Originally Posted by missile
(Post 12780574)
After expenses, you are making circa 4000€ profit on rentals for July & August?
Well done :-) |
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That is really good. Those non residents I know who live in UK and let out their holiday homes struggle to make any profit after they pay utilities, cleaners & agents et al.
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Originally Posted by missile
(Post 12780619)
That is really good. Those non residents I know who live in UK and let out their holiday homes struggle to make any profit after they pay utilities, cleaners & agents et al.
At the time the Spanish house was worth 70% of what the UK houses were, not true now as prices have increased a fair bit where we are on the Northern Coast Blanca and have gone down a little where we are in the UK |
Re: Brexit to lead non-resident Brits to their sell rental properties?
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12780168)
People always had to pay the bills and the only difference is that they might not be able to deduct expenses that were never guaranteed in the first place. The Tax rate differences are also not that huge and if you're making a profit, it can't be that bad. It's still a profit
Tax rates:
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