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Now to get it through Parliament ;)

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only have residencia? Versus what? If and I say if this deal goes through then those already resident will have their rights preserved (allegedly). Are you confusing things with the no deal scenario whereby if non resident you can spend 90 days in 180 within an EU country?

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If you are from the EU then you have registered as resident.
If you are not from the EU, then you have residencia and a TIE - which is what all UK citizens in Spain will require after Brexit.

What do you mean by ONLY have 'residencia'? As opposed to what else?

If you are registered as resident, then you can stay as long as you want. You loose that status if (within first five years) you leave for more than 6 months but you can leave for up to 2 years if you are a permanent resident.

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I don't think that is solely a no deal issue. It will apply after a deal as it is part of the Schengen rules which obviously apply across the whole Schengen area. It has always been only 90 days in 180 for non EU citizens.

The UK Government has agreed with the EU that after Brexit UK citizens will not need a visa, but that is a Schengen visa which is only valid for 90 days. They will have to go through passport control on arrival and departure just as all "foreigners" have always done, and have their passports stamped.

This issue does not seem to have been addressed by the UK government in their Brexit advice as they have concentrated on two simple cases. They are the rules for visitors (holiday makers) and the rules for residents. The missing part is concerning the many people who have holiday homes in Spain and visit in the winter for far more than 90 days. They may well have to spend 90 days here in the winter (great) and 90 days in summer (not so good!) to stay within the Schengen rules.

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A deal in BoJo's twisted mind !

May be a Trojan Horse, I put NOTHING past BoJo and his cronies and it seems I'm not alone.

I question the EU's motives too, Barnier said yet again that citizens rights were a top priority but if he really meant that then the agreement which was the first to be signed off after the referendum could have (and still could be) enacated and ring fenced in a heartbeat.

https://truepublica.org.uk/united-ki...s-brexit-deal/

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Yes you are of course correct Fred. I was more confused at to if it was with reference to this that the OP referred.

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If the 90 day rule applies, that means a friend of mine cannot spend 2nd half of October until beginning of February in her Tenerife apartment.

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The perks of Brexit

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Hope she didn't vote for it, an astonishing number of folk standing to be directly affected by it did.

We probably all know at least one. Personally, and without thinking very hard, I know about half a dozen.

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No she didn't vote for it, but her children voted brexit, 2out of 3.
I think it was a plan, hoping that brexit would force her to sell up and divide the money between them.

It hasn't worked so far.

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Spain has been talking about this problem and were hoping to introduce a fairly easy and cheap extension to the Schengen visa for those swallows who wish to over winter in Spain.

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Assuming the Brexit deal goes through on 31st October......is that also the definative date for uk citizens falling into the schengen group ie very difficult for non golden visa uk citizens to purchase property and stay full time / over 6 months in the EU countries ?

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If the deal goes through, then everything stays the same, IE status quo, until 31 December 2020, the transition period. By this time, fingers crossed, we will have negotiated a new relationship with EU.

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Seems to me that the mental acuity of the average Brexiteer would preclude the ability to conceive of such a scheme!

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Ha, you have overlooked the fact that when there is money involved, especially free/inherited money, peoples mental capacity and strategic planning improve immensely.

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I have attended a Brexit info event held by the British embassy and an official of the Austrian Min. of the Interior. The Austrian official pointed out that tourists can only stay for 90 days, holiday home or not. Many Brits have 2nd homes in Austria. If you are not a resident, you are a tourist. Same for all Schengen.
From what I read in your comment and comparing with info I was given, rules seem to be same within all Schengen area.
Another point which was made was to carry residence certificate on entry when coming from overseas as proof of residency. Otherwise you get a 90 day stamp. And we would not necessarily be allowed to enter via a neighboring country.
These rules would apply immediately (next day) in no deal event only.

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No "Brexit deal" has been agreed. Despite media claims.

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Chrisajolly should remember that 50 percent of the population is below average intelligence.

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Considering the average intelligence on an IQ test is 100 then 85 to 115 - Two thirds of us have an IQ in this range:. Over 115 - Only a third of people have an IQ this high. Over 120 - Only 9% of people have an IQ this high. Over 125 which I am one would consider your reply rather inaccurate. But what has that got to do with Brexit deal agreed?

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I take it you have never heard of mob mentality?

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I think you're being over generous here.
It's more like half of 50 percent of the population. :-)

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Another assumption? Strangely enough I have and as par for the course Remainers have to make derogatory statements about many millions of people, not many of whom they know. Could mob mentality also apply to those who voted to Remain...no! Of course not!

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A gentle reminder about taking part in Brexit discussions. Please do not go down the path that several of you are currently taking because I do not want to have to start deleting or denying people the right to an intelligent conversation but if forced to I will be stringent.

Rosemary

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Chrisnjolly points out that 17 million voted tro leave

I pointed out that 50 percent of the populace are below average. Bell Curve ? Normal distribution ?

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Intersing points, if they were not so misguided. I dont need to know every person in mob to be able to recognise mob.
Extract from Oxford dictionary:
"A group of 3 or more persons, who act with a negative group conscience to show strength in numbers."
And this is as far as I am willing to go wasting my energy on this pointless subject.

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​​​​​​And 29 million didn't so how is that the 'will of the people' ?

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Does that include the ones that couldn't be bothered to vote?

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Enough, this has once again being an update on Brexit but harping on about what happened in the past.

As I have said previously:

What is past is past and no amount of your bickering can change this.

So unless you are discussing any new issues, or providing new information I suggest that you do not post.

Rosemary

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There are many reasons one may not vote apathy being one. The 29 million also does not take account of the expats out of UK for over 15 years who are not eligible! I must agree that the term the will of the people is bogus. However the vote was in favour of leave at that time by those that voted. This stalemate we currently have must end let's hope it's in a way that can protect people's rights expats and those in the uk. Also hopefully in a way that can bring people and country back to some semblance of normality.