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Old Feb 17th 2011, 12:11 pm
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Just watching the news on BBC, they are going to give a universal benefit which includes housing, and all others in one.

It is said that people will always be better off working as opposed to someone in the same circumstances on benfits.

I hope it works.
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Originally Posted by JLFS
Just watching the news on BBC, they are going to give a universal benefit which includes housing, and all others in one.

It is said that people will always be better off working as opposed to someone in the same circumstances on benfits.

I hope it works.


Where? Spain?
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Old Feb 17th 2011, 12:31 pm
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Where? Spain?
no the UK.
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Here's a link

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/welfare...11/index.shtml

and the main points

The main elements of the Bill are:

the introduction of Universal Credit to provide a single streamlined benefit that will ensure work always pays

a stronger approach to reducing fraud and error with tougher penalties for the most serious offences

a new claimant commitment showing clearly what is expected of claimants while giving protection to those with the greatest needs

reforms to Disability Living Allowance, through the introduction of the Personal Independence Payment to meet the needs of disabled people today

creating a fairer approach to Housing Benefit to bring stability to the market and improve incentives to work

driving out abuse of the Social Fund system by giving greater power to local authorities

reforming Employment and Support Allowance to make the benefit fairer and to ensure that help goes to those with the greatest need

changes to support a new system of child support which puts the interest of the child first.
Anyone know what is meant by "Universal Credit"?
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Here's a link

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/policy/welfare...11/index.shtml

and the main points



Anyone know what is meant by "Universal Credit"?
I think it means that the claimants will be paid ONE BENEFIT which includes a whole host of them at the present.

Child bendfit, JSA, income support will not be paid seperatly and, and I think it might be a set amount for each group of people, ie unemployed with 2 children, get a set amount, 3 children a set amount, but I am not sure.

Benefits for middle classes will be further cut, in childcare help.

And people will be checked on after they have been on the sick for 2 weeks, to stop them drifting onto long term sick benefits, a sort of prevention method.

I dont know if they are going about it the right way, but the intention is good.
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It's amazing, they are putting 10,000 a week or more on the dole then going to get them all to feel that it's better to get into work than claim benefits, so clever

Sack a cleaner on 100 quid a week and give her 200 quid a week in benefits, yeah great idea

lolli pop ladies going today, how much is that saving?, maybe 2 hours a day, 25 quid a week, wow.

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I can't quite see how scrapping the proposed 10% cut in housing benefit for those who have been unemployed for more than a year is going to help ensure that working pays more than being on benefit, but maybe that's just me being thick.

Call me cynical, but I will believe none of this until I see evidence of unemployed people (and not someone who has just recently lost their job, either) with large numbers of children being moved out of rental properties in expensive areas that a working person would never be able to afford to live in. Oh, but hold on, if that happened it would be private landlords who would suffer as they might have to reduce their rents, and the Tories aren't going to let that happen, are they?
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
I can't quite see how scrapping the proposed 10% cut in housing benefit for those who have been unemployed for more than a year is going to help ensure that working pays more than being on benefit, but maybe that's just me being thick.

Call me cynical, but I will believe none of this until I see evidence of unemployed people (and not someone who has just recently lost their job, either) with large numbers of children being moved out of rental properties in expensive areas that a working person would never be able to afford to live in. Oh, but hold on, if that happened it would be private landlords who would suffer as they might have to reduce their rents, and the Tories aren't going to let that happen, are they?


Not a chance, lower rents would mean lower false claims
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On top of the benefit reforms they are also looking at the amount of sick time in the public sector.

To me the whole of the public sector needs overhauling. We just cannot afford the pensions liability that is building up especially when the private sector who are paying for these are suffering.

How is it right for public sector employees to be able to retire from 55 onwards when the rest are having their retirement dates extended?

It used to be that public sector pay was less than that of the private sector but that has not been the case for some time.

This is probably off topic but its all about what the country can afford.
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Originally Posted by johnnyone
On top of the benefit reforms they are also looking at the amount of sick time in the public sector.

To me the whole of the public sector needs overhauling. We just cannot afford the pensions liability that is building up especially when the private sector who are paying for these are suffering.

How is it right for public sector employees to be able to retire from 55 onwards when the rest are having their retirement dates extended?

It used to be that public sector pay was less than that of the private sector but that has not been the case for some time.

This is probably off topic but its all about what the country can afford.

I think you have overlooked something. The government IS these people, and unless things change radically, they will get their perks trimmed shortly after Elvis returns from hangliding thru hell.

You (and the rest of us) don't matter a shit. We are there to be taxed, screwed and raped financially with our pensions robbed and devalued.

We saw this most clearly when we saw that the public money for the wine allowance for civil servants was not to be cut, while everything for Joe Public is being cut with an industrial size chainsaw.
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I’ve got a rather simple view of politics. When I was doing well in life, I voted Conservative; when my train hit the buffers, I voted Labour; when I had more time to read some of the bigger books, I voted Liberal.

I’ve been lucky enough never to have had to claim anything, and wouldn’t get anything if I tried now. There are genuine claimants and a whole bunch of cheats, but I was never in any doubt that the Conservatives would go all out to cut benefits, for obvious political reasons the people on them will never vote Conservative anyway, and the rest of the well-off will be cheering at any measure that makes them better-off than their council house neighbours.

It was always thus.
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I’ve got a rather simple view of politics. When I was doing well in life, I voted Conservative; when my train hit the buffers, I voted Labour; when I had more time to read some of the bigger books, I voted Liberal.

I’ve been lucky enough never to have had to claim anything, and wouldn’t get anything if I tried now. There are genuine claimants and a whole bunch of cheats, but I was never in any doubt that the Conservatives would go all out to cut benefits, for obvious political reasons the people on them will never vote Conservative anyway, and the rest of the well-off will be cheering at any measure that makes them better-off than their council house neighbours.

It was always thus.
No it wasn't.

There are plenty of wealthy Labour voters and plenty of moronic Conservative white van men.
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I’ve got a rather simple view of politics. When I was doing well in life, I voted Conservative; when my train hit the buffers, I voted Labour; when I had more time to read some of the bigger books, I voted Liberal.

I’ve been lucky enough never to have had to claim anything, and wouldn’t get anything if I tried now. There are genuine claimants and a whole bunch of cheats, but I was never in any doubt that the Conservatives would go all out to cut benefits, for obvious political reasons the people on them will never vote Conservative anyway, and the rest of the well-off will be cheering at any measure that makes them better-off than their council house neighbours.

It was always thus.
What is it they say? He who is not socialist in his youth is without heart, he who is not conservative in his maturity is without brain.

You ended up Liberal, so I guess you buck the trend.

Me, I hate them all. It saves time.
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No it wasn't.

There are plenty of wealthy Labour voters and plenty of moronic Conservative white van men.
Christ, ain't that the truth.
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Originally Posted by johnnyone
On top of the benefit reforms they are also looking at the amount of sick time in the public sector.

To me the whole of the public sector needs overhauling. We just cannot afford the pensions liability that is building up especially when the private sector who are paying for these are suffering.

How is it right for public sector employees to be able to retire from 55 onwards when the rest are having their retirement dates extended?

It used to be that public sector pay was less than that of the private sector but that has not been the case for some time.

This is probably off topic but its all about what the country can afford.
Sorry Johnnyone, but I teach in Pvt sector, my wife in Public. She lost right to right to retire at 55 in 2002. Pay is not as good in Public, I earn 150% of what she does, yet she takes more than 150% of the crap I do...
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