BBC2 The Great Spanish Crash
Dec 18th 2012, 11:17 am
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Actually, the guy said he could only afford to eat beef once a month, the BBC translators got it wrong, wasnt exactly difficult, I wonder whether it was to make the situation seem worse than it was?
Saying that, the programme seemed pretty fair, there was too much emphasis on the Brits, but then again it is for the BBC
Talking about budget deficits, there is some interesting stuff being written about the US' "fiscal cliff". The US' budget deficit is worse than Greece's every year - makes Spain's numbers look healthy!
And there is no "wall of silence" from the important people, Jordi Evole regularly interviews and provokes them about everything they have done wrong/corruption etc. Paul Mason is a very good journo, but I dont know why he was concentrating on a few down and outs in an inconsequencial little town. It would be like interviewing people from Middlesborough to understand why the UK banks crashed in 2008
Saying that, the programme seemed pretty fair, there was too much emphasis on the Brits, but then again it is for the BBC
Talking about budget deficits, there is some interesting stuff being written about the US' "fiscal cliff". The US' budget deficit is worse than Greece's every year - makes Spain's numbers look healthy!
And there is no "wall of silence" from the important people, Jordi Evole regularly interviews and provokes them about everything they have done wrong/corruption etc. Paul Mason is a very good journo, but I dont know why he was concentrating on a few down and outs in an inconsequencial little town. It would be like interviewing people from Middlesborough to understand why the UK banks crashed in 2008
As a matter of interest though what action is taken following any evidence discovered and put to the intervewees?
I think your comparison however with Middlesborough is a little erroneous. It's hardly an "inconsequential little town"!
Dec 18th 2012, 11:57 am
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Just read this post. Interesting re' Evole - thanks for that.
As a matter of interest though what action is taken following any evidence discovered and put to the intervewees?
I think your comparison however with Middlesborough is a little erroneous. It's hardly an "inconsequential little town"!
As a matter of interest though what action is taken following any evidence discovered and put to the intervewees?
I think your comparison however with Middlesborough is a little erroneous. It's hardly an "inconsequential little town"!
I think you are presuming that nothing is being done about corruption in Spain? That isnt true at all, there are court cases, assets siezed and politicians and business people being imprisoned all the time
Just look up the cases of Juame Matas, Ruiz Mateos or the "Caso Emperador" which implicates dozens of nobles and businessmen with the Chinese mafia
Dec 18th 2012, 11:59 am
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What a very supercilious thing to say. The point of his interviewing them and highlighting their problems was to show very clearly the effects which the mistakes and misdeeds of the politicians, bankers and big businesses are having on the lives of "ordinary" people. There would have been little point in looking for examples amongst well paid people in the large cities because their lives are hardly being touched by it.
Dec 18th 2012, 12:53 pm
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Actually, the guy said he could only afford to eat beef once a month, the BBC translators got it wrong, wasnt exactly difficult, I wonder whether it was to make the situation seem worse than it was?
Saying that, the programme seemed pretty fair, there was too much emphasis on the Brits, but then again it is for the BBC
Saying that, the programme seemed pretty fair, there was too much emphasis on the Brits, but then again it is for the BBC
And there is no "wall of silence" from the important people, Jordi Evole regularly interviews and provokes them about everything they have done wrong/corruption etc. Paul Mason is a very good journo, but I dont know why he was concentrating on a few down and outs in an inconsequencial little town. It would be like interviewing people from Middlesborough to understand why the UK banks crashed in 2008
But there's no reason to take it personally. Your 15 minutes of fame would have about the same chance as winning the lottery.
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Dec 19th 2012, 11:14 am
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Just read the front page of the online Spanish paper ABC who are reporting that the Spanish Embassy in London have made a complaint to the BBC regarding the report!
Dec 19th 2012, 12:36 pm
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What can they do, it was the truth or other peoples honest opinions. Spain must do a lot of complaining if they monitor all the media like FT, NYT etc. they don't pull punches.
Just read the report, says British tourism is down...can't be true, Stevie says it is up!!
Bit from a comment below the article
Ayyyy como duele la verdad.....
pero en serio, teneis aquí un país en ruinas y lleno de corrupción, llega un equipo de TV de otro país haciendo un reportaje de eso y os quejáis??? Vaya país de flojos y vagos, ignorar la realidad es el principio del fin
Just read the report, says British tourism is down...can't be true, Stevie says it is up!!
Bit from a comment below the article
Ayyyy como duele la verdad.....
pero en serio, teneis aquí un país en ruinas y lleno de corrupción, llega un equipo de TV de otro país haciendo un reportaje de eso y os quejáis??? Vaya país de flojos y vagos, ignorar la realidad es el principio del fin
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Dec 19th 2012, 1:19 pm
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What can they do, it was the truth or other peoples honest opinions. Spain must do a lot of complaining if they monitor all the media like FT, NYT etc. they don't pull punches.
Just read the report, says British tourism is down...can't be true, Stevie says it is up!!
Bit from a comment below the article
Ayyyy como duele la verdad.....
pero en serio, teneis aquí un país en ruinas y lleno de corrupción, llega un equipo de TV de otro país haciendo un reportaje de eso y os quejáis??? Vaya país de flojos y vagos, ignorar la realidad es el principio del fin
Just read the report, says British tourism is down...can't be true, Stevie says it is up!!
Bit from a comment below the article
Ayyyy como duele la verdad.....
pero en serio, teneis aquí un país en ruinas y lleno de corrupción, llega un equipo de TV de otro país haciendo un reportaje de eso y os quejáis??? Vaya país de flojos y vagos, ignorar la realidad es el principio del fin
So it hurts them more when the BBC and the NY Times say similar things. For them, the Spain shown in this programme doesnt exist, just like for many US citizens, poverty and children being killed by guns doesn't exist
It doesnt fit their view of events so it is wrong
Dec 19th 2012, 1:48 pm
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Dec 19th 2012, 1:57 pm
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You see the PP shrug of the criticisms from Spanish media such as El Pais and La Sexta because they just say that this is left wong media run by PSOE (absolute nonsense)
So it hurts them more when the BBC and the NY Times say similar things. For them, the Spain shown in this programme doesnt exist, just like for many US citizens, poverty and children being killed by guns doesn't exist
It doesnt fit their view of events so it is wrong
So it hurts them more when the BBC and the NY Times say similar things. For them, the Spain shown in this programme doesnt exist, just like for many US citizens, poverty and children being killed by guns doesn't exist
It doesnt fit their view of events so it is wrong
And the US, well, just be glad we don't have to live in their impoverished conditions, with everybody living in trailer parks and eating rats. No wonder they are so jealous of us and trying to steal all of our oil.
EDIT: And following recent events, it appears there are plenty of Americans who are finally fed up and ready to go to battle about the guns. I think the battle will be very interesting...
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Dec 19th 2012, 2:54 pm
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Again, I don't think many Americans think the killing of children by guns "isn't a problem". That the right to possess guns by individuals is a matter of considerable debate within the US is true but it shouldn't be corrupted into asserting that they don't think child killing is a problem.
Anyway I think we're 'slightly' off topic here.
Anyway I think we're 'slightly' off topic here.
Dec 19th 2012, 3:14 pm
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Again, I don't think many Americans think the killing of children by guns "isn't a problem". That the right to possess guns by individuals is a matter of considerable debate within the US is true but it shouldn't be corrupted into asserting that they don't think child killing is a problem.
Anyway I think we're 'slightly' off topic here.
Anyway I think we're 'slightly' off topic here.
90% of all children shot dead in the world's richest 25 countries are American
Anyway, the point is that there is only a problem if you recognise it - and the easiest way of governments to avoid difficult questions is to ignore them. Hence why the PP do not see any problems with Spanish banks, corruption or poverty
Dec 19th 2012, 3:35 pm
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Nothing much they can do, what is aired on UK TV is nothing to do with them. They are not so much protesting about the veracity of the content, simply that it was biased, concentrated on the economic weaknesses rather than on the strengths.
They are worried about the falling number of Brit visitors, as they are the biggest spenders. I doubt the average Brit visitor cares a jot about closed airports, no medicines etc, they just want to get bladdered and lay in the sun. They probably never saw the programme anyway, BBC2 forget it, they'd have been watching soaps.They better get used to the idea everywhere is suffering hardships, the number of tourists is bound to drop off.
«por el contenido parcial del reportaje, ya que refleja sus debilidades económicas pero no sus fortalezas»
They probably never saw the programme anyway, BBC2 forget it, they'd have been watching soaps.They better get used to the idea everywhere is suffering hardships, the number of tourists is bound to drop off.
Dec 19th 2012, 3:53 pm
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and of course this:
Both Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy and Economy Minister Luis de Guindos bargained with Brussels to try and soften savers’ losses, said one source with knowledge of the matter. Many of the affected belong to a frugal generation of Spaniards who put aside cash despite low salaries, and are more likely to vote, giving them political clout.
The matter has become a political hot potato as television images of protests outside banks heat up local elections in ruling Popular Party (PP) stronghold Galicia on October 21.
But Brussels has stood firm, maintaining these savers must accept harsh losses on their investments to avoid taxpayers elsewhere in Europe paying more.
Spain is negotiating with the European Commission the conditions and size of losses preferential shareholders must accept, a Bank of Spain source said. Banks’ plans must be approved by November.
But if savers can prove they were swindled and were sold preference shares when they thought they were getting a fixed-term deposit, the bank must pay them back, under Spanish law.
The matter has become a political hot potato as television images of protests outside banks heat up local elections in ruling Popular Party (PP) stronghold Galicia on October 21.
But Brussels has stood firm, maintaining these savers must accept harsh losses on their investments to avoid taxpayers elsewhere in Europe paying more.
Spain is negotiating with the European Commission the conditions and size of losses preferential shareholders must accept, a Bank of Spain source said. Banks’ plans must be approved by November.
But if savers can prove they were swindled and were sold preference shares when they thought they were getting a fixed-term deposit, the bank must pay them back, under Spanish law.
Despite all that, you believe it's all being patently ignored?
NOTE: You've always said there is no poverty in Spain. So what did you mean by the statement that it's being ignored?
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Dec 19th 2012, 4:53 pm
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They are worried about the falling number of Brit visitors, as they are the biggest spenders. I doubt the average Brit visitor cares a jot about closed airports, no medicines etc, they just want to get bladdered and lay in the sun. They probably never saw the programme anyway, BBC2 forget it, they'd have been watching soaps.They better get used to the idea everywhere is suffering hardships, the number of tourists is bound to drop off.
They are worried about the falling number of Brit visitors, as they are the biggest spenders. I doubt the average Brit visitor cares a jot about closed airports, no medicines etc, they just want to get bladdered and lay in the sun.
They probably never saw the programme anyway, BBC2 forget it, they'd have been watching soaps.They better get used to the idea everywhere is suffering hardships, the number of tourists is bound to drop off.
Anyway...back to knocking (envying
) America
