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Old Jun 4th 2010, 7:28 am
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The BBC Watchdog program was broadcast last night. This one was 'Spanish Dreams Reduced to Rubble' and explored the theme of the Spanish planning, building, marketing and selling retirement homes to the Northern Europeans and, once the money was paid, the regional authority then comes along and declares the property illegal.
We all know the story (well, except the Spanish public. There are some things you just don't discuss...).
Unfortunately, the video-clip embedded in the BBC story Spanish Dreams doesn't work in Spain - and, unless someone posts it on YouTube, we shall never see it (always supposing that the Spanish TV doesn't show it).
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Unfortunately, the video-clip embedded in the BBC story Spanish Dreams doesn't work in Spain - and, unless someone posts it on YouTube, we shall never see it (always supposing that the Spanish TV doesn't show it).
You didn't miss much, it was much of the same, a lot of old stuff, the Priors and someone else I recognised from previous, similar programmes. The "highlight" was the Spanish Ambassador, he was pathetic, finishing his speech with, "it's a great time to buy in Spain, property is cheap".
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I suppose the Priors are a perfect example of what could happen. Doubt if they will demolish anymore homes but thousands will be left with unsaleable houses so they will just be stuck with them.

BTW I keep reading that the Priors won their court case and the demolishment was declared illegal, but they are still living in a garage If the authorities had done that to my lovely home I wouldn't want to keep living in the country that had done such a thing!
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BTW I keep reading that the Priors won their court case and the demolishment was declared illegal,
But have not received a cent in compensation yet! Winning and getting the compensation are two very different things! In the programme they talked about "express demolitions" and seemingly a law has been passed in April, to come into force about now, regarding "demoliciones de urgencia"

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It would be good to try and move this subject more into the Spanish consciousness, since nobody here knows what damage it's done to thje economy. Does anyone know a widely-read Spanish language forum (with the Mods' permision)?
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It would be good to try and move this subject more into the Spanish consciousness, since nobody here knows what damage it's done to thje economy. Does anyone know a widely-read Spanish language forum (with the Mods' permision)?
Hi, here´s link to a busy Spanish forum;

http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...-inmobiliaria/

The Albox situation, along with other cases (eg. Montroy), have been discussed on the board. There´s also been a fair amount of coverage in the Spanish press. It´s not lack of awareness rather interest/ concern. The country is after all up to its neck in other problems.

BTW This is not solely a British / EU resident problem. An awful lot of Spanish people are also affected but they just seem to be more accepting and less inclined to protest.
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If the authorities had done that to my lovely home I wouldn't want to keep living in the country that had done such a thing!

If this happened to me the " authorities" would be in a cemetery
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I'm not sure that this is such a Spanish problem as some posters suggest. The homes were generally marketed to northern Europeans because they were a lively market for these urbanisations which were built in interior towns where Spaniards would normally not move to. The main Spanish market then (as now) is apartments in big cities, marketed and held these days by banks. The mortgages may be a problem, the under-demand or the still over-prices as well, but these apartment blocks are rarely 'illegal'.
The 'illegal homes' come from small moribund interior towns rather than major cities.
Furthermore, it's harder to pull the wool over a Spaniard's eye in Spain and he has a lot more chance of finding justice than a European. I don't think that this subject has been aired much in Spain, but it has cost the economy (and the country's reputation) dear.
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Old Jun 4th 2010, 7:04 pm
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I remember the former mayor of Catral, which has 1,300 illegal homes, saying that the foreign buyers must have known that their homes were illegal because of the silly, low prices they paid for them.. He added that they should just pay their fines to the town as everyone else has always done.

Daft as it sounds, that seems to be the general Spanish attitude to the problem, where foreigners are concerned. Their own nationals have always paid the fines afterwards to legalise their properties on rural land, it’s happened for hundreds of years, and if the foreigners had kept their mouths shut and paid up, there wouldn’t be a problem now.
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That is sooo wrong. Impossible in andalucia now as the junta have overuled everything that used to happen. That is why so many have finished up with illegal property because they were told they could pay a fine later.

There are many who have actually paid a "fine" and still have an illegal property.
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It’s the same in the Valencian community, the regional government has, very reluctantly, refused to go along with the old ways of agreeing to post legalisation. There are corruption investigations all over the place, all going back many years, including one where the local mayor was killed by a contract killer hired by the opposition because he refused to back a major, illegal development in Polop.

The entire former town hall staff of Lliber are on trial for corrupt dealings some eight years ago.

Yet most local Spanish people almost hero worship their elected mayors, and don’t understand why they should be prosecuted for doing something to improve the quality of life in their towns. That they’ve put a few quid into their own pockets is an irrelevance, when new schools and hospitals have been built. And brand new Churches too.
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