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Old Jul 10th 2013, 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Domino
not bad as a business critique, as a way forward, of internally generating business rather than trying to buy it as the Govt seems to think it can with new projects - which are incidentally supported by EU funding. (so all the other countries that are also in need or not are also contributing).

but what if - after say 2 years of no reins the horse is still going round the same bald patch, the same people are contributing but also the same people are still working on the black
and what does a shopkeeper who has an IVA special price for his customers do if he wants to go back to the proper price (after all how long is his "discount" sustainable.?) will his customers want to pay a 21% increase ??

but as I say, it could be a way forward - just as with all proposals there are wrinkles
IVA shouldn't be more than 10% in the first place. 21% is nothing more than legal extortion, is only imposed because they aren't getting enough from income and other taxes, and doesn't do any good for the economy whatsoever.
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Old Jul 11th 2013, 12:06 am
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IVA shouldn't be more than 10% in the first place. 21% is nothing more than legal extortion, is only imposed because they aren't getting enough from income and other taxes, and doesn't do any good for the economy whatsoever.
No, it was imposed (by Brussels) to become more inline with the VAT rate in other EU countries. The other countries were complaining
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Originally Posted by amideislas
IVA shouldn't be more than 10% in the first place. 21% is nothing more than legal extortion, is only imposed because they aren't getting enough from income and other taxes, and doesn't do any good for the economy whatsoever.
remember reading that the EU takes a % cut of the VAT/IVA from each of the countries so that is where your extortion comes from.
they also want to see same/similar rates across the Union so no one is paying less or more than anyone else.
the current rates are essentially as instructed from Merkel and ECB to hit the people who are as usual hit the most. IVA hikes very rarely effect the rich, they have ways of mitigating it.

perhaps they would also like to take responsibility for "staples" such as bread, milk, water, eggs etc and maintain the same price in all countries

but that is tending towards Federalism.........

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Old Jul 11th 2013, 4:11 am
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Well, two opinions (in the bar, over a vino) about the government. A lawyer thinks that Rajoy will fall and Esperanza Aguirre (a hard-liner) will take over - or maybe Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón (Minister of Justice, another hard-liner). Another friend (a journalist) said 'Felipe Gonzalez once famously remarked - there are no proofs about the Government's participation in the GAL (a terrorist organization sponsored by the Government), nor will there ever be any'. Mariano Rajoy will weather this crisis with the same 'I never signed nuffink' argument.
Today, the Government of Luxembourg fell for a much smaller cause...
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BECAUSE SPAIN ISNT THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS A CORRUPTION PROBLEM

YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT BLIGHTY IS SO BLEEDING FANTASTIC THEN GO BACK TO IT WHERE YOU CAN SIT IN DENIAL AS YOU ARE DOING IN SPAIN BUT COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW WRONG IT IS HERE

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No I am not. All I am moaning about is you and your inability to comment on literally anything on a thread on a Spanish forum without bringing the UK into it, pathetic really. Seems its got so bad with others they have you on ignore.

What difference does it make if any other Country in the world has a corruption problem, doesn't make it OK elsewhere ( or maybe it does in your warped view) Think I must be getting under your skin the way you are shouting, didn't think that was allowed.

This isn't really new though as it was all known last year.
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Old Jul 11th 2013, 9:56 am
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The worst corruption I have ever seen in any country was in Austria, that was in the mid 90s, Can you believe it though some of the trials are still going on.
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Originally Posted by Lenox
Well, two opinions (in the bar, over a vino) about the government. A lawyer thinks that Rajoy will fall and Esperanza Aguirre (a hard-liner) will take over - or maybe Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón (Minister of Justice, another hard-liner). Another friend (a journalist) said 'Felipe Gonzalez once famously remarked - there are no proofs about the Government's participation in the GAL (a terrorist organization sponsored by the Government), nor will there ever be any'. Mariano Rajoy will weather this crisis with the same 'I never signed nuffink' argument.
Today, the Government of Luxembourg fell for a much smaller cause...
What do you mean by hard-liner? Communist or Fascist?
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Old Jul 12th 2013, 5:48 am
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Far to the right. Privatise, imprison, invade, ban, cancel, minimise, spy on... All good things, hey.
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Originally Posted by Lenox
Far to the right. Privatise, imprison, invade, ban, cancel, minimise, spy on... All good things, hey.
Isn't she known as Spain's very own Iron Lady?

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Old Jul 12th 2013, 5:56 am
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Yes. The interesting thing here is that Aguirre and Gallardon are both Madrid politicians and angry rivals. I think Esperanza Aguirre has more chance, but perhaps Rajoy will hang on. El Huff Post said yesterday they think PP General Secretary Maria Dolores de Cospedal is a likely contender, but Barcenas says he tipped her a few years ago (for 200,000€).

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Yes. The interesting thing here is that Aguirre and Gallardon are both Madrid politicians and angry rivals. I think Esperanza Aguirre has more chance, but perhaps Rajoy will hang on. El Huff Post said yesterday they think PP General Secretary Maria Dolores de Cospedal is a likely contender, but Barcenas says he tipped her a few years ago (for 200,000€).

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does that include an annual bung ???
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They have stayed clean (so far). The PSOE wants to do a mocion de censura, but is not being very loud to date = they also have corruption issues.
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He's had incredible staying power so far (Rajoy) but will the disclosure of text messages force him out?
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/14/...12_866128.html
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Old Jul 14th 2013, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Lenox
Well, two opinions (in the bar, over a vino) about the government. A lawyer thinks that Rajoy will fall and Esperanza Aguirre (a hard-liner) will take over - or maybe Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón (Minister of Justice, another hard-liner). Another friend (a journalist) said 'Felipe Gonzalez once famously remarked - there are no proofs about the Government's participation in the GAL (a terrorist organization sponsored by the Government), nor will there ever be any'. Mariano Rajoy will weather this crisis with the same 'I never signed nuffink' argument.
Today, the Government of Luxembourg fell for a much smaller cause...
Papers reporting today that Bárcenas was threatened with his wife being sent to jail if he talked, while Gallardón would be replaced with someone more "agreeable" if he kept quiet, and the prosecution process nullified.

Gallardon and Aguirre hate each other (or at least used to). When he was Mayor of Madrid (city) Gallardón was considered much more liberal than Aguirre (attending gay marriages, removing religious symbols from Christmas decorations, etc) although he has recently taken a harder line on abortion. Aguirre is incredibly divisive. I thought Gallardón had gained the upper hand by becoming Justice Minister while Aguirre had to stand down as Mayor of Madrid (autonoma) due to health reasons.

Wasn't Aznar talking about making a comeback recently? (Spanish politics sounds so incestuous).

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Wasn't Aznar talking about making a comeback recently? (Spanish politics sounds so incestuous).
Aznar has been pulling the strings all along. Rajoy is a puppet, which is why he rarely ever says anything

Aguirre is the rival to the Aznar movement, I wouldnt be surprised if her retirement for health reasons was strategical before the sh*t hit the fan, and she will reappear out of the ashes to take PP forward if Rajoy and the Aznar clan fall
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