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ANTI SQUATTER PETITION
I've raised a petition for the UK Govt as below. I've posted it on some other forums so fingers crossed we will a lot more signatures . There may be a period where you cannot sign as per the below instruction so please try again in a few days time after its been checked and published.
-------------------------------------------------------------------- Forward the email below to your potential supporters. 5 people need to click the link and confirm their support for us to check your petition. Once you’ve gained the required number of supporters, we’ll check your petition to make sure it meets the petition standards. If it does, we’ll publish it. This usually takes a week or less. Once your petition has 21 signatures it won’t be able to add more until it’s been checked by the petitions team. So, please wait until it’s been checked and published before sharing it more widely. Thanks, The Petitions team UK Government and Parliament I’ve made a petition – will you sign it? Click this link to sign the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...vDKSQFkq8hT-dS My petition: Demand Spain Evict Squatters Within 24 hours Of Police Being Notified Contact the Spanish PM and Minister Of Home Affairs demanding they amend their current laws regarding squatters. Their laws are biased towards squatters taking ownership of peoples properties and belongings leaving owners homeless and bereft of all their personal possessions sometimes for years. Demand that the Spanish Police take immediate action when squatters are reported in an owners property. Evict them immediately if they have no written permission signed by the owner. Allow owners the option of cutting off all utilities rather than legally forcing them to pay for all the squatters usage. Currently Police will do nothing unless squatters are caught 'red-handed' . Eviction then has to go through the Spanish Court System which can sometimes take 1-4 years. |
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Hola
My signature was accepted Davexf |
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Signed
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Signed and accepted
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Would it not be more sensible to petition the Spanish government? I cannot see the UK government getting involved in attempting to change Spanish law.
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Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 13047343)
Would it not be more sensible to petition the Spanish government? I cannot see the UK government getting involved in attempting to change Spanish law.
It would be good for BOTH governments to change the squatters rights laws Davexf |
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Here is a template of a petition that can be submitted to Spanish senate but I cannot speak Spanish. Also look at all the confidential information that people will have to enter.
Even worse , look at the bolded section further below which means they won't even accept the Petition. ------------------------------------------------- Formulario Derecho de Petición (senado.es) Written petitions must be submitted including the name of the petitioner or petitioners, nationality and address for the purpose of notifications, the addressee of the petition as well as the subject. A form is provided for the submission of petitions, although its use is not mandatory, with petitions accepted in any written format as long as the aforementioned details are included. Right of petition Last revision 01/19/2021 The right to petition is a fundamental right exercised by all natural or legal persons, regardless of their nationality, as established in article 29 of the Constitution and developed in Organic Law 4/2001. This law may be exercised both individually and collectively, and consists of the faculty to submit petitions to public authorities, either to make them aware of certain facts or to request their intervention, or both at the same time. However, this right does not apply to petitions for whose satisfaction the legal system has established specific procedures, or those that are already being addressed by a parliamentary or administrative procedure or by legal proceedings. |
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Is this a joke or just taking a p*ss?
Petitioning UK gov to change ES domestic law ??!!!!!! Has world gone mad ?! Why not petition UK gov to invade ES, while at it? |
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It's not a joke to people who have got squatters and where Spanish Govt has blocked the right to raise a petition on their own website against laws already in place.
Also, the more aware British people are about the terrible squatter laws in Spain , the less inclined they will become to purchase a property in Spain , which will damage their rental market. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13047351)
Is this a joke or just taking a p*ss?
Petitioning UK gov to change ES domestic law ??!!!!!! Has world gone mad ?! Why not petition UK gov to invade ES, while at it? #NoMoreMacron :thumbup: |
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They cannot even agree on a license exchange pact and from past examples - the British government does not provide much support to people who leave the island.
This is just a waste of my taxes that could be going to a better cause. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13047351)
Is this a joke or just taking a p*ss?
Petitioning UK gov to change ES domestic law ??!!!!!! Has world gone mad ?! Why not petition UK gov to invade ES, while at it? But I doubt many of them have any idea of this problem and most want the cheapest they can get. |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 13047312)
Signed
OP - read some of your horrendous story and understand your motivation. But... |
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As the UK has LEFT the EU, I very much doubt that the Spanish Government will take any notice of what is, in effect, an internal Spanish problem, perhaps the law in Spain does need to be changed, but petitioning the UK government will do no good whatsoever, even if it did receive the required number of signatures the petitions committee will, no doubt, dismiss is as not something the UK government can interfere with.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 13047371)
As the UK has LEFT the EU, I very much doubt that the Spanish Government will take any notice of what is, in effect, an internal Spanish problem, perhaps the law in Spain does need to be changed, but petitioning the UK government will do no good whatsoever, even if it did receive the required number of signatures the petitions committee will, no doubt, dismiss is as not something the UK government can interfere with.
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
(Post 13047366)
Priceless! Ever heard of brexit Fred?
Also since selling my last Spanish property in 2011 I have done my best to avoid spending money in Spain or on Spanish productds |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 13047384)
Yes I voted for it and would do so again.
Also since selling my last Spanish property in 2011 I have done my best to avoid spending money in Spain or on Spanish productds Not that Spain is all that concerned. It has free access to a 19T$ consumer market. |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 13047384)
Yes I voted for it and would do so again.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 13047371)
As the UK has LEFT the EU, I very much doubt that the Spanish Government will take any notice of what is, in effect, an internal Spanish problem, perhaps the law in Spain does need to be changed, but petitioning the UK government will do no good whatsoever, even if it did receive the required number of signatures the petitions committee will, no doubt, dismiss is as not something the UK government can interfere with.
a. This will make British people more aware. b. If the petition gets more publicity , it could damage the purchasing of property in Spain and indirectly affect the rental market. The Scandinavians are already pulling out of buying properties in Spain , and if the UK follows it might make the 'Spanish Ministry Of Interior' think twice about ignoring the plight of property owners whose lives have been damaged by squatters. |
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This sounds like Daily Mail stuff. "Perils"? I own property in Spain, and not only is it not in any kind of "peril", but has more than doubled in value in just 5 years. And continues to do so.
As far as "squatter" law is concerned, I'm not clear on the details, but I've heard it's quite difficult to get them out once they've installed themselves. And I'd applaud any reasonable changes to that. The UK however, isn't an appropriate jurisdiction to lobby for this. It has zero influence over these matters. |
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Originally Posted by DOWNANDOUT
(Post 13047462)
Obviously I know the UK cannot force or influence Spain to do anything but the petition is to make 100's of thousands of British people aware of the perils that await them if they buy a property in Spain . I'm on another forum and none of them knew about squatters rights until they experienced first hand.
a. This will make British people more aware. b. If the petition gets more publicity , it could damage the purchasing of property in Spain and indirectly affect the rental market. The Scandinavians are already pulling out of buying properties in Spain , and if the UK follows it might make the 'Spanish Ministry Of Interior' think twice about ignoring the plight of property owners whose lives have been damaged by squatters. |
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Even should this get sufficient signatures to warrant a response from the UK government they will simply say its not something we can change and we can't change the laws of foreign countries. Imagine the outcry if Spain interfered with UK law in this way? Petition the Spanish Government not the British. This is the sort of thing you could have written to an MEP about but we don't have such representation after Brexit.
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I think this thread is a bit ridiculous.
With the backdrop of Brexit and Gibraltar relations are well strained already. UK government have enough to worry about without sticking their nose in Spanish internal affairs... With regard to house buyers who were unaware of squatters rigts in Spain, ignorance of law excuses no one... |
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Originally Posted by DOWNANDOUT
(Post 13047462)
a. This will make British people more aware.
b. If the petition gets more publicity , it could damage the purchasing of property in Spain and indirectly affect the rental market. |
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Originally Posted by Assanah
(Post 13047472)
Maybe people that own second homes should be punished. They push up prices, make housing unaffordable for the people living there, make most communities deserted shitholes for most of the year. I see no value in foreigners buying up houses on a big scale. Maybe the Spanish should hold a referendum about British buying houses in Spanish soil.
Reasons not to buy a property in Spain? Quite a few come to mind, and someone needs to write about them, so I'll make a start here (spanishpropertyinsight.com) |
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13047489)
I think this thread is a bit ridiculous.
With the backdrop of Brexit and Gibraltar relations are well strained already. UK government have enough to worry about without sticking their nose in Spanish internal affairs... With regard to house buyers who were unaware of squatters rigts in Spain, ignorance of law excuses no one... |
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Originally Posted by SanNico
(Post 13047490)
Including the property you need to sell.
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Originally Posted by DOWNANDOUT
(Post 13047355)
It's not a joke to people who have got squatters
I know that personally you've had an horrendous experience but you need to keep it in perspective. |
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Originally Posted by DOWNANDOUT
(Post 13047504)
Its not just about second homes. A squatter can wait for you to leave your permanent residence (even Spanish domiciles) and then just break in
They want a soft-touches, not ones that could see and charged with ´allanamiento de morada´ or breaking and entering. Any burglar worth his salt will stake out a place and work out the routine when the place is empty. They do their homework and then move in when the occupant is on holidays or away long term like holiday homes. Why run the risks of entering the home of someone who is a permanent resident and has just gone to work. Makes no sense! Lots of properties to target so a smart thief will go for the soft touches not the riskier ones… No data to support that but it is just my instinct on the topic… |
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Originally Posted by DOWNANDOUT
(Post 13047526)
"I've heard it's quite difficult to get them out once they've installed themselves" - gulp!
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Is there a dustbin or filter feature you can use on here to remove a ridiculous thread from the Spain home page?
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13047542)
Is there a dustbin or filter feature you can use on here to remove a ridiculous thread from the Spain home page?
Rosemary |
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Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 13047535)
It sounds serious. And in need of serious reevaluation. Luckily our properties aren't in "peril" of this. And neither should yours be.
Still, the UK has zero influence. Might as well petition Madagascar. |
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Originally Posted by amideislas
(Post 13047449)
are you now living in the UK?
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 13047595)
Almost all of those are Costa Blanca, and most will be holiday homes left unoccupied for months at a time, this was bad in terms of homes left unoccupied, and not only British ones, but where we lived there were Spanish, German, Norwegian etc. all there only for a few months a year. I went to a meeting of the place we lived in and was given 2 votes, I had been given voting rights by my neighbour, German, and never knew, apparently they were given to the previous occupants of our house, and the votes were allocated to the house. There was never any problem with squatters there, mind you it was a gated community eventually.
Sorry NO, it happens here also. On Police advice, since the squatters weren't actually in the property, we broke in and changed the locks from the ones they had put in. The property was then reoccupied by us, and fortunately, the sale that had been agreed went through a few days later without problem. Davexf |
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ref: amideislas post 31
What do you mean 'neither should yours be' . It has for 3-4 years, read my thread ' Tenant Eviction Nightmare Part 1' and 'Tenant Eviction Nightmare Part2 '. Guess what? The tenant we evicted via the courts has broken back in again and claiming 'adverse possession'. |
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Ref : agree_to_disagree post 32
This thread is being is being removed anyhow . I am raising a new petition that can actually be a UK responsibility , not a request to Spain. |
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 13047717)
No
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I am closing this thread at the request of DOWNANDOUT as he is preparing an alternative petitiion.
Rosemary |
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