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Thr sending of items from the UK has become more complicated -

'Posting to friends and family in the EU including Ireland is also going to become more bureaucratic. Those sending parcels from 1 January will be required to complete customs declaration forms, CN22 or CN23, detailing the type of good, its value and its weight.'

Full article here https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

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It's also going to be more expensive to order things online from British companies (if they will still offer deliveries to Spain at all). Plus we will only be able to bring back goods worth a maximum of 390 pounds without having to declare them at Customs and pay import duty when we re-enter Spain. Since moving here I've always been back to the UK at least twice a year and done quite a lot of shopping (mainly clothes) plus shopping online from UK sites so I'm definitely going to be spending less there from now on. If other foreign residents do the same it's not going to help the UK economy much.

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Just heard how awful this is going to be my son here in Ireland often buys on eBay from U.K. just looked at a bargain WiFi speaker for about £130 and was about to purchase when he noticed that on top of the packing and postage cost of £15 there was a customs liability for £40!!!

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wow.. thats alot of extra. thats really going to help trade for the uk isn´t it.

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I think postage costs from the uk had gone up awhile back. Just recently we bought two replacement shower valves from the uk the cost of the valves 60 pounds postage 47 pounds to Spain you could fit the valves in a king size cigarette pack. My daughter who was sending a Christmas parcel put them in there for us and the extra cost was pennies. Another example 4 enamel pies dishes from uk ebay was 32 pounds 20pounds to send, amazon es pie dishes 28 pounds free postage we only use the uk for price checking now which turns out more expensive and only buy from Spain and china if we can.

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No no no, this is all wrong! Boris Johnson has promised that the deal won't affect the Irish border and I believe him - he's an honest decent guy! Here it is in black and white!:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35692452

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I often buy stuff from Amazon UK. I wonder if those items will be taxed?

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Yes, of course, they will be subject to Spanish import duty. Plus there is another complication for Amazon UK sellers - from 1 January onwards they are unable to use the Amazon European Fulfilment Network.

https://sellercentral.amazon.co.uk/g...0UK%20and%20EU.

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I don't think so in most cases, provided the item is of UK origin with only a small percentage of parts derived from outside UK. But any would-be importer will have to complete customs declaration forms, and if you ask Amazon UK or a merchant to do it for you, you may be charged a fee. Plus customs clearance fee if any will be passed on.

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I fully expect Amazon UK to stop all orders from outside the UK. Most items available on the UK site are available on Amazon Spain or the other EU sites.

They have been reducing the number of items available for non UK delivery for a few years now.

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There is no " customs liability " in the agreement between the UK and the EU !

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Similar charges have been happening for goods to Gibraltar for a long time.
Although Gib was not in the customs union it was virtually impossible to get a VAT rebate from Ebay or Amazon
Also recently sellers have been trying to charge import duty upfront at ridiculous percentage rates far above Gib's own rates and also on items that are tax free when they arrive in Gib

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Quite. This is confusing isn't it?

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There might not be tariffs or quotas BUT there are VAT implications and customs administrative costs. All those extra employees & infrastructure cost money. As an example: When importing from the US, the customs admin was often more expensive than the actual tariff. VAT had to be paid up front (but as a company, could be claimed back - still involves admin costs & affected cash flow).

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Same happens elsewhere in the world. My daughter sent me a Tee shirt from the Australian F1 GP a couple of years ago. The shirt cost £25.00 I got charged vat and import duty and a processing charge which added another £65.00 to the thing.

I make one off Jewellery and I have issues sending stuff all over the world. Some days people get their stuff with no charges, the next day someone emails to say its cost them double what I charged for the job.
Unfortunately you just have to accept it.
From 1st jan my customers in the Uk will have 20% VAT and a 2.5% duty added. I may loose business but as Im semi retired Im not that bothered.

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When was Brexit ever going to do that ?

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https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...uary-1.4442166

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...ehouse-report/

I suppose for those exporting to the EU from the UK will just use Ireland but of course warehouse space is limited. Good for those landowners though.

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There's also the VAT changes where every single vender outside the UK (i.e. rest of world, not just the EU) no matter what their size must register a UK VAT number and manage UK VAT at the point of sale.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...1-january-2021

As if Brexit wasn't enough.

William Shatner has already said he's not going to beam down stuff to the UK:

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Meanwhile, the big online outfits (you know who I mean) pay next to nothing in taxes.

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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/202...-brexit-plans/

If this is what is to happen between UK and Ireland it will surely be the same for UK Spain.👎🏻

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UK Post Offices have been refusing all post to the EU until after Jan 1st since Christmas.

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You can't get GB and UK mixed up now. :) This is for post between GB and Ireland, and it'll be the same for post between GB and Spain.

Post between NI and Ireland shouldn't need any customs forms and neither should post between NI and Spain. What about between NI and GB? Apparently the government still doesn't know on the day before Brexit. "More guidance will be published about this as soon as possible."

Also, if you're sending from Spain, you may need to explain the difference between UK, GB, and England to the Spanish post office, which will be fun.

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Well if you're sending from Spain, just put Ireland on and you won't have to explain.

https://www.fedex.com/content/dam/fe...NI_2020_en.pdf

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A new item on the Amazon UK order summary has appeared. Import Fees deposit. I think that kills off Amazon UK for EU residents.

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It's funny when you think about it.
All that argy bargy about level playing fields and worrying that uk businesses would start undercutting eu businesses after brexit.
Now it looks like far from sneaking an advantage they will actually lose the competitive advantage they did have before brexit.
Didn't see that one coming.

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Had my Amazon prime video ( uk) blocked yesterday. Phoned them and they said that all non UK addresses can no longer access UK Amazon prime. Not a big problem as they transferred me to Amazon Spain ( different film content with Spanish titles etc) . Still just goes to show how Mr Gove's assertions of everything will remain the same was either ignorance or a lie.

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Any chance that British residents of the EU (but only part time in the EU) will also be able to have a UK driving licence, as well as their EU driving licence?

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In order to obtain a EU licence requires you to submit your UK licence to the issuing country. This means that your UK licence is destroyed and theDVLA will not issue you another as they will have been informed by your EU country. In other words there's no cake and eat.

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1. ) I use Facebook only for communicating easily with family members, Today messaging some was not possible, and Facebook said they were having to negotiate a few things with the EU. Could a Brexiter tell me how this benefits me or anyone in same position? ( I assume will be resolved, but for today can a Brexietr explain without veering off to fantasy trade deals).

2. ) I received several emails from financial service institutions indicating changes , relatively minor, but most indicating they are opening offices in Europe and hiring staff in Europe in some cases transferring staff. Could a Brexiter tell me how this helps the British economy.

3.) Care Homes : Supervisor at Care Home in our town I ran into- asked her how new Brexit rules will affect her business. She was fairly livid saying they now couldn't bring in staff as needed, and a bit absurd to not be able to bring in staff from the EU as needed- and no way they could see if UK workers hadn't been available the last 10 years on same basis why on earth anyone would see for her business Brexit rules are a benefit. And in addition to bring in workers under visa rules apparently income requirements set with complete and utter ignorance of wages in her sector.

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You've missed out curry chefs*! Oodles & oodles of curry chefs, perhaps they can pick strawberries or work in care homes in their spare time!

* Term deployed by Preeeeti Patel.

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Did they refund any money?
Prime spain is half the price of the uk version.

Most of the stuff you buy on Amazon.uk is available in Spain anyway.

The TV side includes all Amazon exclusives no matter where you are so there should be no issues. I'm finding it easier using Amazon.es

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Why would you need one? As an EU resident visiting the UK your EU licence is fine, just like a Spaniard visiting the UK would not have a problem driving on a Spanish driving licence.

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There are no import duties, it is VAT that ebay and amazon are charging for goods under £135 but it is only supposed to be charged once, not in both countries, so should not be any different and the customs clearance charge is supposed to only apply to goods over £135 so you typically save £8; Goods under £15 are now charged for VAT as well so they are more expensive than before when there were no import charges. Goods over £135, the VAT is paid by the recipient plus the customs charges.

Having said that, it does not make much sense because of the way VAT works, ie it is already in the system from manufacturer to wholesaler to retailer so it is probably anyone's guess how much you will pay. Aliexpress is not collecting VAT on orders so in theory you can buy for less than £135 and have no charges...

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Ive been looking into the VAT thingy.

I might be wrong BUT as I see it.

Selling stuff as a business from anywhere (not just the EU) means having a VAT number from the UK.
i.e Business seller from China, etc needs to be VAT registered in the Uk to sell on eBay, Amazon etc.

Selling from the Uk to the world (now includes EU)
nothing, the vat and import duties are levied in the receiving country, according to the rules of that country.
So as a UK seller I could (if I still lived there) just carry on selling on the auction sites and my own website as before the 31st Dec 2020. Fill in customs forms and as long as the value was below the value for import duties all would be well.

I sort of see this as a benefit from brexit because in essence it makes Uk made stuff 20% cheaper when made and sold in the UK and the Uk benefits from all the increased Vat payments from the Eu sellers (like it does now with the US etc.).


BUT does this not already break the "level playing field" agreed in the deal with the EU???

Selling personal items however is more of a grey area, from what I can find stuff carries on as before, unless the country its going to decides to open it and check and then implement charges (I had this when selling on some of my model railway stuff before we moved)

Am I wrong???

I'm planning on selling or giving away at cost some of my artwork here in Spain and continuing to make special order Jewellery as I have a client in the Uk (they may have to visit me in future) or my son can deal with them through his business.
The odd piece of artwork I may sell will be listed on my tax return here in Spain (have cleared this with the accountant as its not a business just an occasional sale)

Now Mr Shatner by no longer selling to the Uk has in effect been breaking the law by not having a VAT number (something I see listed on almost all sellers from China).

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Up until the end of 2020 businesses outside of the UK could sell to the UK and the importer would pay the VAT along with any customs duties, just as UK sellers did when selling to rest of the world. This was not illegal, in fact it's pretty normal for online sales between two countries (not counting the Single Market countries in this). The problem with was that sellers underdeclared the value on the parcel to be lower than the VAT exemption threshold and parcels got missed when imported.

A seller would only be breaking the law if they sold goods worth less than 139 pounds to the UK in 2021 without a UK VAT number, collecting the VAT, and forwarding it to HMRC. William Shatner looked into it and found out that this would cost him 1000 pounds a year to do, so he decided to pull the plug on selling to the UK from yesterday, as maybe many business not using online marketplaces will do I guess.

I'm saying UK here, it could be GB but I'm not sure. NI is in the EU's customs regime but the UK's VAT regime. :unsure:

The EU has similar planned legislation coming in on the 1st of July called Import OSS but the seller can opt to make the importer pay VAT along with the customs duties and they also don't need to register for VAT in each EU county (see here), i.e. it seems to be simplifying the process. The only thing which is more complicated is the seller has to submit Import OSS returns online so parcels aren't missed in the post. I guess online store software that sellers use like Shopify and Magento will be updated to do this automatically.

As for sending personal items out of UK, the Royal Mail has info here. It requires a customs declaration. Correos will also need one for sending from Spain to the UK.