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MrsMac59 Jun 10th 2014 10:36 pm

Another Catastral question
 
Is there anywhere I can view the Catastral for my property online?

NadiaN Jun 11th 2014 12:07 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by MrsMac59 (Post 11297635)
Is there anywhere I can view the Catastral for my property online?

You can search for your property on the government's Catastro website:
https://www1.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVC...?TIPO=consulta

Select "Localización", enter the address , and the click the button on the bottom that says "Datos y Consulta Descriptiva y Grafica".

Note that sometimes, if the name of your street is too long, it is stored in a shortened form in the Catastro database. So if it tells you that it can not find your address, you can clear the field with the street name and click the "Buscar vias" button next to it, and it will give you a list of all streets in the city where you can browse for yours.

MrsMac59 Jun 11th 2014 12:57 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by NadiaN (Post 11297729)
You can search for your property on the government's Catastro website:
https://www1.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVC...?TIPO=consulta

Select "Localización", enter the address , and the click the button on the bottom that says "Datos y Consulta Descriptiva y Grafica".

Note that sometimes, if the name of your street is too long, it is stored in a shortened form in the Catastro database. So if it tells you that it can not find your address, you can clear the field with the street name and click the "Buscar vias" button next to it, and it will give you a list of all streets in the city where you can browse for yours.

:goodpost: Thanks for that - very easy and direct. I'd like to find out what the property is valued at for non-residents' tax but I don't see that noted anywhere. Have I asked the wrong question? Is there somewhere I can find this information?

snikpoh Jun 11th 2014 2:39 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by MrsMac59 (Post 11297802)
:goodpost: Thanks for that - very easy and direct. I'd like to find out what the property is valued at for non-residents' tax but I don't see that noted anywhere. Have I asked the wrong question? Is there somewhere I can find this information?

On your IBI bill, it will have the cadastral value. You need to know the 'fudge' factor to be able to determine the current value (as declared by the authorities). This will be the value to use for taxation purposes.

This 'fudge' factor can be anything up to 2.2 and is based on when the last valuation was done and where you live. Here, I take the cadastral value, multiply it by 2.1 to get to a value they deem is correct for taxation purposes.

The problem is that this figure is;
  • not what I paid for it
  • not what I think it's wiorth
  • and is not what I might get for it in the current climate

MrsMac59 Jun 11th 2014 8:02 pm

Re: Another Catastral question
 
Ok, as a new house owner I have not yet seen an IBI bill. Is there anywhere I can access my IBI bill online?

snikpoh Jun 11th 2014 8:38 pm

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by MrsMac59 (Post 11299143)
Ok, as a new house owner I have not yet seen an IBI bill. Is there anywhere I can access my IBI bill online?

Is this a brand new house or is it just new to you?

If you've bought it from someone else, then you should have been given a copy of all previous bills (electrivcity, gas, water, IBI, Basura etc.) Are they, perhaps, at the back of your escritura (deeds)?

If not, then I would ask at your local town hall - they should be able to look them up and tell you (a) the cadastral value and (b) the 'fudge' factor.

bobd22 Jun 11th 2014 10:38 pm

Re: Another Catastral question
 
I had a similar problem when trying to complete our first non resident tax forms, we had the previous IBI but for a different property! Long story. After making enquiries at the town hall and Hacirndo (tax office) I was directed to a office called PARONATO DE RECAUDACION PROVINCIAL. This was seperate to the Haciendo but nearby (this was Velez Malaga don't know where you are) . No appointment was needed spoke with a guy and gave him our property details, he printed me a copy of the last IBI bill off which contains the information you need. Once you have this it is very easy to complete the non resident tax form online print it off and pay it at the bank in Spain.

MrsMac59 Jun 12th 2014 10:50 pm

Re: Another Catastral question
 
Thanks for that bobd22. We're close to Pinoso and going over in the next few weeks so I shall make some enquiries while we are there. As newbies we are having to set up everything from scratch and seem to be collecting direct debits like flowers at the moment. We want to try to put a number to what we need to make sure we leave in the bank so that we're covered for the periods we are back in the UK, just in case one of the annual payments comes off before we expect it to.

mikeglover Aug 29th 2014 10:34 pm

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 11297992)
On your IBI bill, it will have the cadastral value. You need to know the 'fudge' factor to be able to determine the current value (as declared by the authorities). This will be the value to use for taxation purposes.

This 'fudge' factor can be anything up to 2.2 and is based on when the last valuation was done and where you live. Here, I take the cadastral value, multiply it by 2.1 to get to a value they deem is correct for taxation purposes.

The problem is that this figure is;
  • not what I paid for it
  • not what I think it's wiorth
  • and is not what I might get for it in the current climate

My annual IBI is about twice that of other identical properties in my area. The only reason I could think of is that my house is on a tarmacced road and theirs are on a track. Is the 'fudge factor' based on things like this and, if so, could it have such a big effect?. Could there be other reasons for the discrepancy. Ime not sure how i can go about appealing against my IBI. Any thought from anyone with an insight into this area would be much appreciated

Fred James Aug 30th 2014 12:07 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 11297992)

This 'fudge' factor can be anything up to 2.2

It can be a lot higher than that. The highest figure on the Andalucia list is 4.70

Fred James Aug 30th 2014 12:11 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by mikeglover (Post 11386951)
Is the 'fudge factor' based on things like this and, if so, could it have such a big effect?. Could there be other reasons for the discrepancy.

The fact that one house is on a track and another is on a road might affect it but that should be reflected in the catastral value.

The valuation coefficient is the same for all properties in that municipality.

mikeglover Aug 30th 2014 12:56 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 11387029)
The fact that one house is on a track and another is on a road might affect it but that should be reflected in the catastral value.

The valuation coefficient is the same for all properties in that municipality.

Ta, Fred.

mikeglover Aug 30th 2014 2:30 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by NadiaN (Post 11297729)
You can search for your property on the government's Catastro website:
https://www1.sedecatastro.gob.es/OVC...?TIPO=consulta

Select "Localización", enter the address , and the click the button on the bottom that says "Datos y Consulta Descriptiva y Grafica".

.

Many thanks for the link, NadiaN. I have been trying to find out why my IBA is so high compared to that of my neighbours and, having looked at this site, there appears to be a large chunk of my land classed as 'obr urb int'. THis appears to be a similar case to another neighbour with an unusualy high catastral value so I think I might be on the right track (thanks to Fred as well). Just wandered if you or anyone else knows what 'obr urb int' might mean. If so, I think i might be getting somewhere

lyric030250 Aug 30th 2014 2:35 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

the Andalucia list
Where might one locate such Fred ?

snikpoh Aug 30th 2014 2:48 am

Re: Another Catastral question
 

Originally Posted by mikeglover (Post 11387125)
Many thanks for the link, NadiaN. I have been trying to find out why my IBA is so high compared to that of my neighbours and, having looked at this site, there appears to be a large chunk of my land classed as 'obr urb int'. THis appears to be a similar case to another neighbour with an unusualy high catastral value so I think I might be on the right track (thanks to Fred as well). Just wandered if you or anyone else knows what 'obr urb int' might mean. If so, I think i might be getting somewhere

When we first moved here, we were surprised how high our IBI was - 8 years ago it was about 900€ yet, as you say, similar properties here were only about 300€

We employed a surveyor to measure the property plus the land - our figure is correct.

It would seem that we are TOTALLY legal (pool, garage, outside kitchen, etc.) whereas many of our neighbours 'may' not be. Also, our property has a long border with a tarmacadam road on one edge and a tarmac road on part of the other (that we paid for before the town hall adopted the road!) - so this could well be a major factor.


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