jackytoo

What a load of bullshitting wankers

kimilseung

The nearest I can think is Orwell himself with the POUM, with the republicans fighting all things fascist and reactionary, including the church.

Aniaml Farm had a character Moses who represented the church, in a not very favorable light. The pigs tried to be rid of him, but they came around in the end and used him in a similar way that the farmer had.

Still thinking of what HBG is refering too, it cant be these examples.

HBG

If you’ve read Orwell and Huxley, I’m on your side. Philosophers? Par excellence. Science and philosophy? I’m wavering.

Where is philosophy involved in the repetitive spouting out of boring facts that are so obvious they should never see the light of day?

Doesn’t philosophy question the boring classes?

I must admit I’m not sure of my argument. God knows what the philosophers will make of the experiment in Switzerland to find the ‘God’ particle? Most of them already accept the Big Bang rather than God, but the absolute proof has never been established.

I suspect it will be bad news for everyone. But it will be a long time before bible burning starts seriously, if ever.

HBG

It's a little bit deeper than that, Bil.

bil

Elucidate please. Not taking the whatsit, I am curious. Me, I see Dawkins as someone basically trying to find out what makes things tick. He's putting forward ideas as to why things are the way they are. I don't see cynicism in that. More the idea like so many that cynicism is an English irregular verb.

I am thoughtful
you are questioning
he is a cynic.

bil

I have read both. I found Orwell's 1984 horrific, animal farm far truer than I liked, and Homage to Catalunya profoundly moving.

The god particle is a tongue in cheek name for the Higgs boson.

How can you have absolute proof of the big bang, since none of us could actually observe the event?

bil

What's this, another insightful remark? Do go on....

HBG

That’s exactly why I despair at the inconvincible scientific mindset, they don’t believe because none of them were there 13.6 billion years ago. It’s worse than a belief in Santa Claus, the silly disbelief.

They salivate when explaining in great detail that you can start a fire by rubbing two sticks together, they think it’s a great wonder to point out that the earth is round.

I would rather pontificate on whether there is a such a thing as ghosts, than listen to something the thickest among us know to be true.

bil

Oh c'mon. They don't KNOW what happened, but there are many theories as to what happened. It's not a question of belief, it's a question of which theory best fits the evidence.

Oh yeah, and the world isn't round. It's an oblate spheroid, so yah boo sucks ;-)

Ghosts, well, when I see one, I'll let you know. Till then, the jury is out.

agoreira

¡No te cortes! Tell us what you really think! Reminds me a bit of "Pseud´s Corner!"

jdr

Yeah, but my P U is slightly behind in time, cos I am 67 in a months time and just done a teenage thing, I have just gone out and bought a moto.

bil

Boooorrnnnn to be mild!