All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
May 31st 2018, 9:04 am
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All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
- British people currently have extensive rights to live, work, and trade freely with the EU.
- But at least some of these rights will definitely be lost after Brexit.
- Theresa May is under pressure to opt for a softer form of Brexit to preserve as many of these rights as possible.
- Here are some possible Brexit models and how they will affect the rights of UK citizens.
All the EU rights British people could lose under each Brexit model - Business Insider
May 31st 2018, 9:23 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
I thought that was the point of Brexit wasn't it. The UK doesn't want EU citizens to have the right to live and work in the UK in the future. Reciprocally that has to mean that UK citizens no longer have that right either. And since the four freedoms are inseparable, if the UK refuses freedom of movement then it also excludes itself from the other freedoms too.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
May 31st 2018, 9:55 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Here is the official UK government's view on where things stand:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-f...nals-in-the-eu
I think it is important for those Brits who want to continue to reside in Spain to ensure all the current requirements are fully met ie residencia, paying income tax, etc.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-f...nals-in-the-eu
I think it is important for those Brits who want to continue to reside in Spain to ensure all the current requirements are fully met ie residencia, paying income tax, etc.
May 31st 2018, 9:58 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
I thought that was the point of Brexit wasn't it. The UK doesn't want EU citizens to have the right to live and work in the UK in the future. Reciprocally that has to mean that UK citizens no longer have that right either. And since the four freedoms are inseparable, if the UK refuses freedom of movement then it also excludes itself from the other freedoms too.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
May 31st 2018, 11:21 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
I thought that was the point of Brexit wasn't it. The UK doesn't want EU citizens to have the right to live and work in the UK in the future. Reciprocally that has to mean that UK citizens no longer have that right either. And since the four freedoms are inseparable, if the UK refuses freedom of movement then it also excludes itself from the other freedoms too.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
The UK voted to lose those freedoms, so why is it now making such a fuss about it?
I don't know what the table means by "voting and political rights" but EU citizens in France certainly don't have the right to vote in national elections. In fact I'm not terribly impressed by the article at all, either it is trying to oversimplify, or its own understanding is confused, or it has an Agenda. For instance, according to the chart the EU model offers an unconditional right to reside while the Norway and Switzerland models offer the right to work but not the right to reside - WTF? how can you work there if you can't live there? and since when did any EU citizens have an unconditional right to reside regardless of status? that is not what the Directive says.
May 31st 2018, 11:45 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Actually less than 33% of the population (52% of those who voted) voted to lose the EU rights. And I'm not too sure how many actually realised what rights and benefits being in the EU delivered. We would need another vote when all the facts/agreements are known to be sure that what you say is actually a majority choice or just a vocal minority.
Re the UK government link, as I just posted on the French board where this has also come up:
Or you can go to the EU website and get basically the same info without the tosh about TM being clear (because transparent is one thing she is not) and all the "we have delivered our commitment" bollocks.
https://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/s...ghts/Brexit_en
May 31st 2018, 11:59 am
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
If a minority voted to leave then an even smaller minority voted to remain. Out of an electorate of 46.5 million, 17.4 million (37.4%) voted to leave, 16.1 million (34.6%) voted to remain and 12.9 million (27.7%) didn't vote.
May 31st 2018, 1:34 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Actually less than 33% of the population (52% of those who voted) voted to lose the EU rights. And I'm not too sure how many actually realised what rights and benefits being in the EU delivered. We would need another vote when all the facts/agreements are known to be sure that what you say is actually a majority choice or just a vocal minority.
May 31st 2018, 2:38 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
One of the things that could change is the rates of tax that UK non Spanish residents pay on income, capital gains, inheritance tax etc, for example a none eea area national pays 24% rather than 19% income tax
May 31st 2018, 4:03 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Here is the official UK government's view on where things stand:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-f...nals-in-the-eu
I think it is important for those Brits who want to continue to reside in Spain to ensure all the current requirements are fully met ie residencia, paying income tax, etc.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-f...nals-in-the-eu
I think it is important for those Brits who want to continue to reside in Spain to ensure all the current requirements are fully met ie residencia, paying income tax, etc.
May 31st 2018, 6:09 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Actually less than 33% of the population (52% of those who voted) voted to lose the EU rights. And I'm not too sure how many actually realised what rights and benefits being in the EU delivered. We would need another vote when all the facts/agreements are known to be sure that what you say is actually a majority choice or just a vocal minority.
May 31st 2018, 8:16 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
Well, my view is this: everybody knew an important vote was happening, so everybody who wanted to vote voted.
I'm sick and tired of all this crap of "we didn't know, we were misinformed", etc. Let's face it: the people voted and those were the results, like it or not.
Now we have to deal with it. All of us.
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May 31st 2018, 8:39 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say: that those who voted one way or another were a minority and as such the results should be questioned?
Well, my view is this: everybody knew an important vote was happening, so everybody who wanted to vote voted.
I'm sick and tired of all this crap of "we didn't know, we were misinformed", etc. Let's face it: the people voted and those were the results, like it or not.
Now we have to deal with it. All of us.
Well, my view is this: everybody knew an important vote was happening, so everybody who wanted to vote voted.
I'm sick and tired of all this crap of "we didn't know, we were misinformed", etc. Let's face it: the people voted and those were the results, like it or not.
Now we have to deal with it. All of us.
May 31st 2018, 8:52 pm
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Re: All the rights British people could lose after Brexit
I don't really understand why the Brexiteers are so frightened of a confirmatory vote. After all, if they are right then they will get an overwhelming majority. Can it be that they fear that good sense might at last prevail?