Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Europe > Spain
Reload this Page >

Of all the places in all the world.......

Of all the places in all the world.......

Old Apr 24th 2011, 12:29 pm
  #106  
Senior Moment
 
Mitzyboy's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: On the edge
Posts: 20,460
Mitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond reputeMitzyboy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Yes, bleak.
Very much so, compared with my own area here, all of the Northern regions, Extremadura and much of Andalucia away from the coast.
Compared to those areas its very much lacking in natural vegetation and certainly not the pleasantest place to be during the Winter months,nor in mid-Summer I would imagine.
For that reason I have never been tempted to venture far of the beaten track as I normally do in those other places, where I have come across some hidden gems almost forgotten in time, at the end of tiny dirt tracks.
I agree there are some interesting villages and ancient buildings up there and I often wonder how they managed to construct them, let alone survive in such a God forsaken area.
I don't here of many expats saying how nice it is to live up there either, if there are any at all.
Would you fancy living up there ?
I dont doubt you, I'm just struggling to figure your description with mine
I've been to Cuenca, Teruel and Albarracin a few times and I find it a lovely area. As for expats .. well, as I said I didnt hear an english / foreign speaking voice, and that suits me to be honest.

Would I live there? I don't know, but if I didnt it wouldnt be because of bleak landscape in a Godforsaken area
Mitzyboy is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 3:07 pm
  #107  
Straw Man.
 
rugbymatt's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: That, there, that's not my post count... nothing to see here, move along.
Posts: 46,302
rugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

The desolation is depressing!
Attached Thumbnails Of all the places in all the world.......-albarrac%C3%ADn_19.jpg   Of all the places in all the world.......-beceite-teruel.-jpg.jpg  
rugbymatt is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 6:00 pm
  #108  
On the road again.
 
Dick Dasterdly's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Dick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Well desolation is your description not mine, however for once I tend to agree with you.
As I said interesting ancient buildings and other places and credit to Mitzy for bringing out the best in them, with some brilliant shots.
However as far as the vast majority of that area is concerned I stand by my original description and the fact that few if any expats choose to live their, or even visit probably speaks for itself.
On the other hand quite a few seem to prefer the other areas I mentioned, with their huge variety of flora and fauna plus absolutely stunning landscapes.
Maybe you fancy buying yourself a place up there Matt if you're so impressed, however I'd advise you to scout it out first.
Oh sorry forgot, you seem to know it well enough already.
George Orwell wasn't to impressed either.
Dick Dasterdly is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 6:17 pm
  #109  
Straw Man.
 
rugbymatt's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: That, there, that's not my post count... nothing to see here, move along.
Posts: 46,302
rugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond reputerugbymatt has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Oh sorry forgot, you seem to know it well enough already.
George Orwell wasn't to impressed either.
Firstly... why be like that Dick, why do it? All it does is encourage the narkiness that seems to be so common on here? If you are going to reply that you are "only having a laugh"... two people have a laugh, when one person does it, its narkiness...

Secondly... Who honestly gives a crap what george Orwell thinks? I have always hated his writing and he was hardly accurate with anything else he claimed was he?
rugbymatt is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 7:15 pm
  #110  
On the road again.
 
Dick Dasterdly's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Dick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Firstly... why be like that Dick, why do it? All it does is encourage the narkiness that seems to be so common on here? If you are going to reply that you are "only having a laugh"... two people have a laugh, when one person does it, its narkiness...

Secondly... Who honestly gives a crap what george Orwell thinks? I have always hated his writing and he was hardly accurate with anything else he claimed was he?
Fair enough, I was only replying to your sarcasm in no offensive way I thought, so ok have a laugh, and meanwhile as I said credit to Mitzy he seems a natural photographer with the ability to bring out the very best in a variety of locations.

I agree with you regarding Orwell by the way.
Dick Dasterdly is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 7:57 pm
  #111  
HBG
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: Alicante province
Posts: 5,753
HBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond reputeHBG has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

I've always admired George Orwell, not only because of his brilliant writing, but also because of his involvement in the Spanish Civil War.

I've always admired Shakespeare too, and Dickens, and Chaucer, and a myriad of other British writers, and I read a piece from Martin Amis this morning in the Guardian, writing about his friend, the Hitch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011...hitchens-world

It takes all sorts. I suppose if a brave person nowadays wanted to fight for social justice, Syria might not be a bad place to start with, but it would take a lot of bottle, and if Orwell was alive I can see see him of the streets of Damascus now.
HBG is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 9:34 pm
  #112  
On the road again.
 
Dick Dasterdly's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Dick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by HBG
I've always admired George Orwell, not only because of his brilliant writing, but also because of his involvement in the Spanish Civil War.

I've always admired Shakespeare too, and Dickens, and Chaucer, and a myriad of other British writers, and I read a piece from Martin Amis this morning in the Guardian, writing about his friend, the Hitch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011...hitchens-world

It takes all sorts. I suppose if a brave person nowadays wanted to fight for social justice, Syria might not be a bad place to start with, but it would take a lot of bottle, and if Orwell was alive I can see see him of the streets of Damascus now.
I believe Orwell returned from his Spanish experience a somewhat disillushioned guy.
I would have imagined he would have given the pros and cons much more careful consideration if there was to be a next time.
Dick Dasterdly is offline  
Old Apr 24th 2011, 10:15 pm
  #113  
bil
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Posts: 7,653
bil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
I believe Orwell returned from his Spanish experience a somewhat disillushioned guy.
I would have imagined he would have given the pros and cons much more careful consideration if there was to be a next time.
I think he came back disillusioned because the far left had subverted the Catalunyan revolution with the politics of the far left, which involved the jailing and disappearance of those combatants on the left that did not agree to march to the new tune.
bil is offline  
Old Apr 25th 2011, 9:29 am
  #114  
On the road again.
 
Dick Dasterdly's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Dick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by bil
I think he came back disillusioned because the far left had subverted the Catalunyan revolution with the politics of the far left, which involved the jailing and disappearance of those combatants on the left that did not agree to march to the new tune.
Par for the course.
I presume you mean those who weren't happy with the Soviet backed commies, who appeared to have the upper hand in the party at one time.
Fortunately they became disillusioned also when things went pear shaped and got out of it, otherwise it could have been out of the frying pan into the fire with a big dose of Stalinism, possibly even worse than Franco.
Dick Dasterdly is offline  
Old Apr 25th 2011, 9:45 am
  #115  
bil
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Posts: 7,653
bil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Par for the course.
I presume you mean those who weren't happy with the Soviet backed commies, who appeared to have the upper hand in the party at one time.
Fortunately they became disillusioned also when things went pear shaped and got out of it, otherwise it could have been out of the frying pan into the fire with a big dose of Stalinism, possibly even worse than Franco.
Did you read 'Homage to Catalunya'?

Basically he wrote how the 'revolution' there was a very civilised affair, simply that those at the bottom turned around and said that they were fed up, and woun't put up with it any more. It was a revolution quite unlike anything from the Soviet era. Trouble was, the far left soviet backed supporters decided to take it over and become the new power to face off Franco. They were nasty bastards, and you could see why the right wing hated them. Like you say, IMO had the soviet backed left won, they would have been far nastier than Franco ever was.

Had the Catalunyan revolution succeeded, and the far laft had never taken root, history would have been very different, and possibly far nicer.
bil is offline  
Old Apr 25th 2011, 10:05 am
  #116  
On the road again.
 
Dick Dasterdly's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: On Top of the World
Posts: 17,507
Dick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond reputeDick Dasterdly has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by bil
Did you read 'Homage to Catalunya'?

Basically he wrote how the 'revolution' there was a very civilised affair, simply that those at the bottom turned around and said that they were fed up, and woun't put up with it any more. It was a revolution quite unlike anything from the Soviet era. Trouble was, the far left soviet backed supporters decided to take it over and become the new power to face off Franco. They were nasty bastards, and you could see why the right wing hated them. Like you say, IMO had the soviet backed left won, they would have been far nastier than Franco ever was.

Had the Catalunyan revolution succeeded, and the far laft had never taken root, history would have been very different, and possibly far nicer.
Yes,read it.
Unfortunately lefty revolutions rarely work out as intended and it's usually the extremists and hard cases that come to the fore in a quest for overall power, as a result of which the very thing most ppl. thought they were fighting for, freedom and democracy, is often the first thing to go out the window.
Dick Dasterdly is offline  
Old Apr 25th 2011, 11:03 am
  #117  
bil
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Vejer de la Fra., Cadiz
Posts: 7,653
bil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond reputebil has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Of all the places in all the world.......

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Yes,read it.
Unfortunately lefty revolutions rarely work out as intended and it's usually the extremists and hard cases that come to the fore in a quest for overall power, as a result of which the very thing most ppl. thought they were fighting for, freedom and democracy, is often the first thing to go out the window.
True, very true.

Hopefully tho this was because there wasn't free access to data like there is now. Now it's possible to have internet acces thru a mobile phone, which is so easily concealed, it's a lot more difficult to conceal the truth. Hopefully this will prevent the arab spring from going the way of all previous revolutions.

One point. Most of the revolutions have been against rightwing/state/church opression, so by definition they would have been left wing.
bil is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.