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Old Sep 8th 2021, 9:49 am
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Travel in the EU beyond 3 Months and you will Face Penalties!

In general, the Member States can apply the following penalties on those caught overstaying, including on Britons:
  • Deportation – All third-country citizens caught overstaying the number of permitted days of stay in the EU are immediately forced to leave the block. Some of the countries will imprison overstayers and deport them by themselves, while others will give overstayers a certain period of hours or days to leave.
  • Fines – One of the most common penalties for overstaying in the Schengen Area is being fined with an amount of money, though the fees vary from one country to another. Fines, are applied alongside with deportation and are not a substitute for it. They may often be followed with an entry ban too.
  • Difficulties in returning to the Schengen – Almost every deported person will face difficulties to travel back to the Schengen Area. They will face prolonged border checks upon entry, and may even be turned back or banned from entering for a certain period.
  • Entry ban – Usually the Member States ban from entering only those who have overstayed for a longer period. Bans are applied for a period of three years or even more.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree View Post
And I think that a maximum of "3 months travel" or 90 days in 180 is going to be the limit in the EU for anyone from the UK, indefinitely!

There is idle chat that the EU/Spain might make special provision for the British.

No chance, when UK left the EU, it lost one of The Four Freedoms, freedom of movement!

Why would the EU possibly capitulate on this?

More chance of seeing a large pink elephant floating past your window!
Not only idle chat but an arrogant sense of entitlement.

The UK left the EU with the hardest possible Brexit and, sadly, UK nationals are going to have to live with the consequences.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
It has to be a really serious incident with Spanish law enforcement to get chucked out. Only person I know who has been expelled from Spain was an idiot that had been shot in Marbella , been arrested on other serious charges and kept on being a Menace to society. It was only when the UK police issued a warrant for an offence in England that the Spanish police grabbed him and kicked him out. I know other blatant overstayers that have had run ins with Spanish police and they don’t give a monkeys about 90 day visas.It’s all very strange what is going on. I even heard of British nationals without residency in Catalonia that are sending their kids to school. Brexit has not put British nationals off from living in Spain.

You dont need residency to send children to school
Children have a right to education which is why even children whose parents are illegal get a school place. I enrolled my child in school without residency. All they need is a padron cert and medical exam
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 10:13 am
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Correct Lou71!

So its three months to travel and that is your lot!

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Old Sep 8th 2021, 11:36 am
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Default Re: 3 month travel.

Originally Posted by Chipmonk View Post
You dont need residency to send children to school
Children have a right to education which is why even children whose parents are illegal get a school place. I enrolled my child in school without residency. All they need is a padron cert and medical exam
The problem is that some places will NOT allow you to sign on the padron unless you are resident! (and quite correctly in my opinion).

The padron is a list of residents (or soon to be residents) in a particular town. Allowing non-residents to sign on breaks that most basic requirement.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by snikpoh View Post
The problem is that some places will NOT allow you to sign on the padron unless you are resident! (and quite correctly in my opinion).

The padron is a list of residents (or soon to be residents) in a particular town. Allowing non-residents to sign on breaks that most basic requirement.
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The problem is one of holiday homes; because they are invisible, the town as a whole suffers - not so much for schools but for other services provided by the town hall. So not a perfect system

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3 months travel in Europe...

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Old Sep 8th 2021, 4:26 pm
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Hola

The problem is one of holiday homes; because they are invisible, the town as a whole suffers - not so much for schools but for other services provided by the town hall. So not a perfect system

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They're not that invisible, councils still charge IBI on them and some councils charge a different rate if it's not your primary residence.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by DLC View Post
They're not that invisible, councils still charge IBI on them and some councils charge a different rate if it's not your primary residence.
But the owners are not on the padron so the town, village or city does suffer from less money from Madrid.
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Old Sep 8th 2021, 7:07 pm
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Exactly, that's why some councils raise the IBI on second (or third) residences to compensate.
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Old Sep 15th 2021, 5:11 pm
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Returning to the question of non EU spouses travelling with their EU spouses, it has been suggested that the 90 day rule does not apply if they are travelling together.

Does anyone have a reliable source of information to confirm or deny this?
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Old Sep 15th 2021, 6:47 pm
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Returning to the question of non EU spouses travelling with their EU spouses, it has been suggested that the 90 day rule does not apply if they are travelling together.

Does anyone have a reliable source of information to confirm or deny this?
The basic principle is you are governed by the passport you hold. So if you are a US or UK citizen, your passport restricts you to 90-in-180 days, and if you are a Chinese citizen you must in addition obtain Schengen visa (which is issued free with a minimum of fuss, at least in theory - getting an appointment is often a big issue especially in the summer month). When you are also married to an EU citizen, while it doesn't override Schengen rules, you have additional residence right if you are both moving to an EU state by applying for residence permit as a spouse of a Union citizen. Only naturalisation as a citizen of a member state will give you complete freedom to travel.
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Originally Posted by Joppa View Post

Only naturalisation as a citizen of a member state will give you complete freedom to travel.
I’m not talking about complete freedom to travel. I am talking about a specific situation regarding the Schengen Agreement.
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Old Sep 15th 2021, 9:13 pm
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Does anyone know? I’ve been in and out of Spain a few times this year. Some of the stamps you can’t even make out the dates. It’s going to be so confusing for anyone trying to work out dates.
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Originally Posted by Fred James View Post
I’m not talking about complete freedom to travel. I am talking about a specific situation regarding the Schengen Agreement.
If you are a third country national, you are subject to Schengen rule regardless of your marital status.
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