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3 month travel.
A question for all you well traveled people. If i go to Spain from the UK for 3 months , say from Sept to Dec . then return to the UK for 1 month. Could I go on a European cruise, or do I have to wait until I have been out of EU for 3 months ? TIA
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Re: 3 month travel.
I was wondering exactly the same thing as I too want to cruise as well as spend time in the Costa Blanca, as far as I’m aware it is a 90 day allowance for the whole of the Schengen zone
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Re: 3 month travel.
Originally Posted by Greywolf
(Post 13048186)
A question for all you well traveled people. If i go to Spain from the UK for 3 months , say from Sept to Dec . then return to the UK for 1 month. Could I go on a European cruise, or do I have to wait until I have been out of EU for 3 months ? TIA
If you arrived on the 1st September you must leave before the 90th day (travelling counts as well). So 1st Sept to 29th Nov is 90 days. You then cannot return before 1st March (if feb is a leap year then you could come back on the 29th). |
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I guess you could go on the cruise and not set foot on land. they dont come on board to stamp your passports.
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Originally Posted by Greywolf
(Post 13048186)
A question for all you well traveled people. If i go to Spain from the UK for 3 months , say from Sept to Dec . then return to the UK for 1 month. Could I go on a European cruise, or do I have to wait until I have been out of EU for 3 months ? TIA
As for visiting ports in and out of the Schengen area, getting stamps, and what that does to your Schengen clock you're best searching answers on a board with lots of Americans and Canadians like Rick Steves as they have that problem all the time (and so do Brits now). |
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Hola,
It is very simple to work out. You can spend a maximum of 90 days in ANY 180 period. The period is simple; today is always day 180 and yesterday is day 179. Count back 180 days and count the days in the 180 day period you have been in the Schengen area. If it is under 90 days, then yes you can enter the Schengen area Davexf |
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Could you just go to a non-schengen country, say Cyprus, have a cruise from there (or stay inland in Cyprus) and not worry about the 90/180?
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The European countries that are not part of the Schengen zone are Albania, Andora, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Ireland, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine, The United Kingdom and Vatican City and Gibraltar
Plus of course the rest of the world. Covid allowing |
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Where i am people are coming in and out still without a TIE. Not sure they have gone over their 90 day limit yet but time will tell.
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From your list, been to Albania,Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Georgia, Ireland, Kosovo, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine, Vatican City and Gibraltar.
Next on list are Armenia & Azerbaijan. They went and had a war there and covid has scuppered my plans so far to go there... I can´t imagine anything more boring that a cruise... |
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I'm guessing by that list that you like to travel to different places so you should give it a try. A cruise is a floating hotel that moves you between destinations whilst you sleep. Most days you wake up with a new destination to explore. Its definitely on my retirement bucket list.
Unless you meant Tom Cruise is boring, I agree there. |
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No way you would get me on a cruise! I can´t imagine anything more boring! But I know some people love them....
I prerer to explore countries myself and have no interest in organised trips. I read the Lonely Planet guide for a particular country in advance, identify what I want to see, come up with a route and then book hotels day by day as I travel. This is an invaluable website for anyone who does a bit of travelling... It is great for working out what modes of transport are available in getting from A to B... It also works acros borders, which is really useful. https://www.rome2rio.com/ |
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I have done a couple of 7 day cruises.
Malaga into the Med back to Malaga Malaga out of the Med back to Malaga Both very enjoyable, but two is enough, Now I prefer to travel by car. Gib to Roscoff, ferry to Rosslare, turn left and west coast up to Malin Head. Quick dash to Dublin, ferry to Anglesey, visit family. Then through the Chunnel and down to the disappointing Carmargue, then back to Gib via Andorra Next trip a year later Gib to Roscoff, ferry to Rosslare turn right east coast to Malin Head then down through the centre of Ireland back to Rosslare and ferry to Roscoff and home. Plus numerous trips around Spain and Portugal. Also touring USA and Canada and Newzealand in rentals |
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So the first day you arrive the 180 starts ticking down and in that you are allowed 90 days. So if I wanted to spend the summer here I could come over for a few days at the beginning of January then come back in May use up the balance of my 90 to the end-ish of June go home for a week then come back first week of July start the 180 clock again and stay for 90 days until the end of September.
Right?? |
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You speak about a fixed date when the clock starts ticking, i.e. day 1 to day 180.
But it also must be a moving time window, i suppose.. By way of a simple example... If you come to Spain on Jan the 1st and then leave on jan the 2nd of Jan the clock has started ticking on teh 180 days allowance. You could use up the remaining balance of the 90 days in May, June and July and leave on the last day of July (90th day) that would be OK. But if you then came back to Spain in August I am not sure if can argu that this is a new 180 day period and stay in August and September for you new 90 day allowance. I has to be a constantly moving window, I think.... Within any 180 day period you cannot exceed the 90 day allowance. |
Re: 3 month travel.
Originally Posted by vincentayre
(Post 13048500)
So the first day you arrive the 180 starts ticking down and in that you are allowed 90 days. So if I wanted to spend the summer here I could come over for a few days at the beginning of January then come back in May use up the balance of my 90 to the end-ish of June go home for a week then come back first week of July start the 180 clock again and stay for 90 days until the end of September.
Right?? See here its explained easily. The 90/180 only works for those who want to stay in one bulk hit. For people coming and going its a little bit more complicated. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/visa-calculator/ |
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Originally Posted by Barriej
(Post 13048513)
NO NO NO. Its a rolling 90 days.
Furthermore, it is not complicated at all. You just need to keep track of when you will be in the EU and that is it.... But if you think it is going to be challenging to maintain such a record, you can turn to the 90 day Schengen apps you can get for your phone now... |
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Unbelievable how people are still struggling with 90/180 concept.
Just think, on present day, looking back 180 days, how many days have I been in EU. |
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And I think that a maximum of "3 months travel" or 90 days in 180 is going to be the limit in the EU for anyone from the UK, indefinitely!
There is idle chat that the EU/Spain might make special provision for the British. No chance, when UK left the EU, it lost one of The Four Freedoms, freedom of movement! Why would the EU possibly capitulate on this? More chance of seeing a large pink elephant floating past your window! |
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I think, in particular, Spain and Portugal have an incentive to reach individual sovereign agreements with the UK in the future.
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The 3 months or 90 day rule is a pan-Schengen rule.
So you are free to travel or stay at your house in the sun for 90 days in 180 and that is it! The EU has a vested interest in protecting its integrity! I simply believe that Expats expect they should be treated as a special case. I'm not sure why you think that Spain or Portugal have any incentive to create a special excemption for Expats... Many British have already sold up and left. The influx of new British has been abruptly brought to a halt. I now aware of any discussion at goverment level to amend the 3 month / 90 day limit... Can you point me to any reference in the media which details discussions at government level to amend the 3 month / 90 day limit? |
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If any of the countries negotiated individually outside the schengen parameters then they would no doubt be given non schengen status meaning that their citizens would have to go through passport control instead of being waved through and the country would lose a lot of schengen based intelligence about illegals /criminals/terrorists I do not think any government in their right mind would want to do this so that a few drunken Brits can stay a bit longer
https://global.fm/news/brits-arreste...alaga-airport/ |
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Quite....
Also, UK government loses revenue from all the pensioners who go off to the sun (Spain etc.) to live. Their pensions are going to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer... Also, if they sell up or invest in property in Spain, again that is revenue to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer. Brits going abroad would tend to actually undermine the UK housing market, as it is taking cash buyers out of the system. Finally, for any Brits who are actually resident in Spain, when they finally pop their clogs and the matters of their estate are sorted, again it is the Spanish exchequer that grabs the dosh in the form of taxes.... British government very clearly has a vested interest not to allow the 3 months / 90 day travel rule to be extended.... |
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Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13048887)
Quite....
Also, UK government loses revenue from all the pensioners who go off to the sun (Spain etc.) to live. Their pensions are going to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer... Also, if they sell up or invest in property in Spain, again that is revenue to the Spanish exchequer as opposed to the British exchequer. Brits going abroad would tend to actually undermine the UK housing market, as it is taking cash buyers out of the system. Finally, for any Brits who are actually resident in Spain, when they finally pop their clogs and the matters of their estate are sorted, again it is the Spanish exchequer that grabs the dosh in the form of taxes.... British government very clearly has a vested interest not to allow the 3 months / 90 day travel rule to be extended.... |
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Not proactively, at the moment! Probably they are playing it very cool. I think the Spanish Police have enought to keep them busy without having to launch manhunts for pensions who have overstayed their welcome.
UK, is exactly the same and as I imagine every other country in Europe is. Lots of illegals who work in the black economy. Going back a month ago I knew a girl from Columbia and she had applied for asylum. It was rejected with no chance of appeal and she was given 15 days to leave Spain. Notwthstanding, she is still here and who knows what she does to survive! Pensioners have an income so don't need to go out to work, but anyone of working age from the UK and not resident, will fall foul this 90 day / 3 months travel limit. Once you overstay your welcome, if you have a tangle with the law, or have to do any official business that when the **** hit the fan! Also if you are chucked out for 90 day / 3 months travel limit, you're going to have bother getting back into the Shengen! |
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As a proportion of the whole numbers of so called 'Swallows' who want to stay for over 90 days are miniscule and not worthy of either side championing a case for.
In any case even if they are now limited to 90 days in 180 it's highly likely that the majority will still come for that - maybe even making two trips instead of one - so the potential loss to Spain won't amount to a hill of beans. Contrary to their oft trotted out mantra of 'Spain needs our money' no it doesn't. Would they like it yes for sure, but do they need it, no! |
Re: 3 month travel.
Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13048946)
Not proactively, at the moment! Probably they are playing it very cool. I think the Spanish Police have enought to keep them busy without having to launch manhunts for pensions who have overstayed their welcome.
UK, is exactly the same and as I imagine every other country in Europe is. Lots of illegals who work in the black economy. Going back a month ago I knew a girl from Columbia and she had applied for asylum. It was rejected with no chance of appeal and she was given 15 days to leave Spain. Notwthstanding, she is still here and who knows what she does to survive! Pensioners have an income so don't need to go out to work, but anyone of working age from the UK and not resident, will fall foul this 90 day / 3 months travel limit. Once you overstay your welcome, if you have a tangle with the law, or have to do any official business that when the **** hit the fan! Also if you are chucked out for 90 day / 3 months travel limit, you're going to have bother getting back into the Shengen! |
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The inescapable fact is due to brexit now the 90 days / 3 months travel limit applies and thereafter the British are illegals in the Schengen area and could be subject to summary deportation!
As they are now 'illegals', who have overstayed their welcome, their rights are severely erroded. Not a very comfortable reality... |
Re: 3 month travel.
Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13049087)
The inescapable fact is due to brexit now the 90 days / 3 months travel limit applies and thereafter the British are illegals in the Schengen area and could be subject to summary deportation!
As they are now 'illegals', who have overstayed their welcome, their rights are severely erroded. Not a very comfortable reality... |
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Aaaand, another thread derailed.
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Travel in the EU beyond 3 Months and you will Face Penalties!
In general, the Member States can apply the following penalties on those caught overstaying, including on Britons:
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Re: 3 month travel.
Originally Posted by agree_to_disagree
(Post 13048845)
And I think that a maximum of "3 months travel" or 90 days in 180 is going to be the limit in the EU for anyone from the UK, indefinitely!
There is idle chat that the EU/Spain might make special provision for the British. No chance, when UK left the EU, it lost one of The Four Freedoms, freedom of movement! Why would the EU possibly capitulate on this? More chance of seeing a large pink elephant floating past your window! The UK left the EU with the hardest possible Brexit and, sadly, UK nationals are going to have to live with the consequences. |
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Originally Posted by Stingychips
(Post 13049070)
It has to be a really serious incident with Spanish law enforcement to get chucked out. Only person I know who has been expelled from Spain was an idiot that had been shot in Marbella , been arrested on other serious charges and kept on being a Menace to society. It was only when the UK police issued a warrant for an offence in England that the Spanish police grabbed him and kicked him out. I know other blatant overstayers that have had run ins with Spanish police and they don’t give a monkeys about 90 day visas.It’s all very strange what is going on. I even heard of British nationals without residency in Catalonia that are sending their kids to school. Brexit has not put British nationals off from living in Spain.
You dont need residency to send children to school Children have a right to education which is why even children whose parents are illegal get a school place. I enrolled my child in school without residency. All they need is a padron cert and medical exam |
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Originally Posted by Chipmonk
(Post 13049146)
You dont need residency to send children to school
Children have a right to education which is why even children whose parents are illegal get a school place. I enrolled my child in school without residency. All they need is a padron cert and medical exam The padron is a list of residents (or soon to be residents) in a particular town. Allowing non-residents to sign on breaks that most basic requirement. |
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Originally Posted by snikpoh
(Post 13049190)
The problem is that some places will NOT allow you to sign on the padron unless you are resident! (and quite correctly in my opinion).
The padron is a list of residents (or soon to be residents) in a particular town. Allowing non-residents to sign on breaks that most basic requirement. The problem is one of holiday homes; because they are invisible, the town as a whole suffers - not so much for schools but for other services provided by the town hall. So not a perfect system Davexf |
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3 months travel in Europe...
Suggested itinary.... https://www.bucketlistly.blog/posts/...inerary-europe |
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Originally Posted by Dxf
(Post 13049262)
Hola
The problem is one of holiday homes; because they are invisible, the town as a whole suffers - not so much for schools but for other services provided by the town hall. So not a perfect system Davexf |
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Originally Posted by DLC
(Post 13049348)
They're not that invisible, councils still charge IBI on them and some councils charge a different rate if it's not your primary residence.
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Exactly, that's why some councils raise the IBI on second (or third) residences to compensate.
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