audio

Not sure I understand that. Miami is a hotspot in FL.

Pulaski

Not only! New York has mandated quarantine for those arriving from Florida, and several other hotspot states i.e. for internal travelers within the US.
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audio

Rubbish, IMO. You seem to forget, they also wanted to get planes in the air.

thegolfer

Who did? Certainly not Rishi and Boris....."You seem to forget" that BA, Easyjet and Ryanair joined forces to sue the U.K Gov six or seven weeks ago


"The government's plan "will have a devastating effect on British tourism and the wider economy and destroy thousands of jobs", the airlines said yesterday. They have asked for judges to hear the review as soon as possible."

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BEVS

Absolutely. However making a judgement call on risk to self is different from making a call which could cause risk to others. Perhaps the word blithely would be better referenced to those governments , agencies and people which put self interest before and over others. Ever increasing travel has been taken for granted for a long time now and it really isn't that simple any more. Travel unfortunately now comes with an invisible ticking time bomb that could cause harm to others and ourselves. We travel at vast speed on an empty road that is our risk to solely our own selves. We travel at speed on a crowded busy road then we risk other people's lives which is not OK..

The 14 day quarantine is because of the incubation period. Quarantine should be independently managed to ensure any risk is contained as not all people are sensible or honourable. Some are mighty carefree with other people's health.. However I would agree somewhat that in UK's and Europes case it is a farce as these places haven't even managed to contain - & for the most part even locate - community transmission, so putting someone into 2 weeks of managed quarantine and then sending them out where the virus is still unchecked really is a nonsense. Mind you the UK approach has been weak and muddled to say the least. Arse and elbow comes to mind.

Y'know , I was hoping to get back to the UK this September for a long visit. The first time it would have been really properly possible in ten blimmin' years. It was also to look at going home - permanently. Now that is all off the cards for at least the next 18 months / two years as it simply will not be sensible or safe to do so. I have people there I love and care for. Some I may well now not see again. It is what it is. Didn't ask for this silent killer virus but it is with us all and we just have to take it on the nose for everyone's sake and get on with it and do the hard yards. Some have it far far worse.

Open borders at haste and repent at leisure .

VEDShappy

I used the word "blithely" deliberately and referenced HMG to it for the reasons you too mention.
Arse and elbow, buggers muddle, you take your choice.

Not only do we all make our own choices for travel, we all have our own reasons for having, or wanting, to.
I am sorry for the circumstances in which you find yourself.
Many years ago I made a similar choice which was responsible for me not being able to say my farewells to my father.
My circumstances now are such that I have to return to the UK once per year, this has to take place in August, no choice. Last year I was "fortunate" in that, whilst there, my mother was suddenly taken ill and subsequently passed away in hospital several days later. At least I was there.

I don't want to travel, I don't really enjoy it, but once per year it is a necessity. In the case of the house arrest this year it won't make too much difference, but I do have to be there. It's a necessary inconvenience.



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missile

Standing in a queue and sharing air in a coffin in the sky is not for us either. We have decided to drive and take the ferry, IMHO that is a safer option.

Chipmonk

Ironically I dont think there have been any outbreaks through plane travel since the lockdown. Sure there were people bringing the virus in through travel before all the measures were in place but since then there has been lots of panicking about planes and various people tested but no outbreaks between travelling passengers and I imagine because people are being super careful on planes.

missile

From my observation of news footage, people don't seem very careful at airports. Even before Covid, I often found I would seem to have a cold / flu symptoms shortly after sharing recirculated air during a flight.

bobd22

As always some are careful some aren't, all means of travel with others are a risk as it is every time one leaves the safety of the bubble they have created in their own homes. One could fly and then say get the train or bus into the nearest town, they could as easily get infected on the train or bus as easily as the plane. Its down to each individual to ascertain and decide on the risk factors to suit them and their needs. That is so long as it fits with the laid down rules/laws/guidance whether we agree with that guidance is neither here nor there. The idiots are those that simply do exactly as they want ignoring any guidance unfortunately it seems the British Government has some of them in senior positions or within the families of senior ministers and advisors. Even missing familiy bereavements at this time is different for some people to others for some it could well cause lifelong problems with siblings or other family members others will be in the position of having family that understand the difficult position people may find themselves in. This is and will continue to be a very difficult and uncertain time for all of us wishing to do what's best and safest for all, because only other real alternative until they get a vaccine is endless total lock down as we had March to June..

missile

As you correctly say we must each assess the risk and act accordingly.

VFR

Ain't that a fact, everyone I know have said the same over the years so flying at this time is the last thing that I would be wanting to do let alone hanging around an airport for hours before that.

BEVS

Interesting. How would you or anyone else for that matter do that then? By that I mean to ensure you are not and do not become infected and also, more importantly, to not pass it unwittingly onto others. What means and tests would you apply? How would you show that you had taken all precautions and were infection free?

Genuine questions.

Dxf

Hola

I have just completed a trip from southern Spain to Scotland and back by car BUT I used the Channel Tunnel as I felt it was a great deal safer

Davexf

missile

Thanks. I am travelling Brittany Ferries Plymouth / Santander. Anyone done that route recently? One of my concerns is the usual stampede with crowds of people rushing to get off. I might be last onto the car deck<LOL>