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Old Oct 5th 2022, 6:28 pm
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It must be very difficult knowing your relatives are lying in unmarked 'graves' but keeping the debate rumbling on also causes problems.

The Valley of the Fallen is an amazing place to visit and is close to the Escorial so makes a good day out.
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It must be very difficult knowing your relatives are lying in unmarked 'graves' but keeping the debate rumbling on also causes problems.

The Valley of the Fallen is an amazing place to visit and is close to the Escorial so makes a good day out.
The Escorial is an amazing place to visit. So much to see.

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It must be very difficult knowing your relatives are lying in unmarked 'graves' but keeping the debate rumbling on also causes problems.

The Valley of the Fallen is an amazing place to visit and is close to the Escorial so makes a good day out.
Unfortunately the clergy at the church there along with Franco"s family still regard it as a shrine to him ( I know he has now been moved) with the unmarked graves as a secondary side show!!!. Thankfully Sanchez and other modern politicians have realized that you can't have any semblance of a shrine to a dictator and took the right actions. Be prepared for PP and vox to reverse all this if they win the election!!!
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Yes, it is amazing - but cold and austere - I actually prefer Aranjuez - beautiful gardens and the furnishings etc inside are fabulous.
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Yes, it is amazing - but cold and austere - I actually prefer Aranjuez - beautiful gardens and the furnishings etc inside are fabulous.
Have to agree with you on it being cold and austere.. Love Aranjuez.

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Yes, it is amazing - but cold and austere - I actually prefer Aranjuez - beautiful gardens and the furnishings etc inside are fabulous.
We liked Aranjuez very much, the Royal Palace is stunning (especially the Porcelain Room, never seen anything like it) and there were very few other visitors there when we went. It is an easy day trip from Madrid by train, every time we go to Madrid we try to go somewhere else as a side trip as well. Toledo, Avila, Segovia, Alcala de Henares are all close enough to do comfortably in a day.

The Valley of the Fallen, though, will never be on our list of places to see.
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Yes so many great side trips can be easily and cheaply done from Madrid - and I think you have listed all the classics - maybe add Cuenca.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...co-era-victims

It must be very difficult knowing your relatives are lying in unmarked 'graves' but keeping the debate rumbling on also causes problems.

The Valley of the Fallen is an amazing place to visit and is close to the Escorial so makes a good day out.
I think the more people learn the truth about their history the better. Nearly all those who took part in the Civil war are dead or will be soon.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" said George Santayana.
I had to persuade my Basque wife to visit Franco's folly. Easier for me, being a 'foreigner'. A great example of man's vanity.

Personally, I felt the Escorial also to be something of a folly, this time to a king's arrogance. I think the views from the distance did it more justice.

We had 3 days in Sigüenza 2 years ago, not far from Madrid, & well worth a visit, and a stay in the Parador, not expensive. If you go in August, stop in Brihuega to see the lavender fields.

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We once did a day trip to Sigüenza on a RENFE special excursion train day out - nice place but it was a bitterly cold day, glad I don't live there!
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Spanish fascist’s family to exhume remains from Valley of the Fallen

The family of José Antonio Primo de Rivera, the founder of Spain’s fascist Falange party, will exhume his remains from the Valley of the Fallen outside Madrid before they are removed under new legislation designed to honour the victims of the civil war and the Franco dictatorship.

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