mentalist

As somebody who has many friends and relatives living happy and contented lives in the Western Cape, I believe that Kiwibot is deliberately putting South Africa down, quite possibly for racist reasons. He will undoubtedly deny this, but I have found that many South Africans who flee the country do so simply because they cannot cope without Apartheid.

Pablo

Black South Africans?

ededed

kiwibok

Please stop the name-calling Ed, it’s against the rules of this forum. I don’t post crime here every day so not sure what you are smoking. In fact I have not been on this site for over a year.

The beauty of Wikipedia is that you can go and edit what you feel is not a reflection of the truth. If you feel its wrong then go and edit away. Let the op make his own conclusions if its safe to walk the streets at night!

I love the way you keep throwing in useless thumb sucked statistics Ed. Where do the 0.5 and 99.5% stats come from? You state that crime is a minor factor compared to other frustrations? Do some research into a report by the SAIRR, it states that one million whites have left south Africa between 1995 and 2005, crime and affirmative action as the main reasons! Not saying you wrong, and not denying its not possible to live the way you are! Nowhere have I said that. I’m just guessing that you are the exception to the rule.

One million people Ed. Thats a large number, equivalent to about a quarter of the population of New Zealand.

I know a few people in South Africa that are very happy. Why do you assume this?

I think its more dangerous going around and telling people that SA streets are safe to walk at night! As I mentioned previously. I am from Cape Town. I know the facts. I worked on neighbourhood watch when I was there. I patrolled neighboorhoods at night. I saw it all, and my advice to not walk the streets at night around cape town cannot come from a better sourse! When last were you in CT Ed? As mentioned too, I just got back from SA, Cape Town and could not believe the deteriation. But thats my opinion and you have the right to disagree if u like.

You aleady admintted you cannot answer the ops question. You ignored the question about robberies but chose to rather bring up the typical cape town like all cities .... Junk.

What a contradiction ...

kiwibok

WHat a funny comment. Maybe take the time out one day with some of these south africans and ask them what would have to change for them to return to South Africa ...I guarantee that you would probably get an answers along the lines of ....

1) Crime
2) Abolish AA (Affirmative action)

Sue

I've split a ton of posts from the orignal thread, because this seems to have turned into some sort of one-up-manship and the OP was totally forgotten .. no wonder he/she didn't come back.

Anyway feel free to continue your deliberations here ... but lets not go down the name calling route ...

Thanks

kiwibok

Thanks Sue. And nice to see that South Africa has its own forum again. We all know that South Africa and especially cape town is not really part of Africa

ededed

No. Unsubscribing. I don't have the energy or the desire to have the life force sucked out of me by you.

Anyone who needs to - please PM me for any accurate information. Happy to help. I just can't allow myself to bang my head against the wall in this thread any more.

Tegwyn

Absolutely, there simply could not be another reason now could there.

_0v0_

I have just returned from Cape Town, and had such a ball that I would consider moving there permanently (despite my homesickness for Blighty). Some various random observations about crime and related things (deprivation and so on):

- the overwhelming majority takes place in the non-wealthy areas
- crime in the wealthy (ie, white) areas remains high
- people did not walk the streets at night in the (wealthy) suburb in which I stayed
- a schoolchild was shot dead on the first day of term
- houses in said suburb all had high walls and one or more of electric fencing, ornamental (but very sharp) spikes, burglar alarms and a very big dog
- the local newspaper hailed that fact that only two murders (one during a burglary) had taken place over the festive season
- I was accosted by beggars in central CPT and at traffic lights etc
- I saw no crime actually taking place
- my hosts actually never bothered switching their electric fencing on, and often left windows ajar
- shantytown had reduced: a lot more RDP housing (I suppose replacing it)

Fear of crime did not seem to affect my hosts unduly. I was interested to note people in general seemed more relaxed than on my last visit ten years previously. I remember moneybelts, people checking over their shoulders all the time etc etc. There also seems more money knocking around the place.

kiwibok

Nicely put _0v0_

Sort of matches my view except that I could never live there again. I have a family now.

You have kids?

_0v0_

I also noted lots of bill stickers advertising abortions: pain-free abortions, cheap abortions, same-day abortions, discreet abortions and so on. I wondered if this was because of rape or other kinds of sexual coercion.

Yes, two daughters. However, that wouldn't stop me moving to CPT if I were offered a job on a decent enough salary.

It is true that being the victim of a nasty crime is a risk in South Africa. I have to compare that to the utter certainty of being the victim of morbid ennui in New Zealand.

kiwibok

Two interesting posts there _0v0_ ... I would be thinking about the future and well being of my family and children first, before thinking of myself and taking them to a place where it sounds like the chances of being raped are pretty high (as you highlighted)

_0v0_

You talk as if I would be sentencing my daughters to rape.

kiwibok

Did not say that. You already highlighted rape is a problem in SA.

It just makes no sence to me why someone who already knows this, would take their girls to South Africa where the chances are so much higher.

South Africa struggles with rape 'epidemic'

Watch the video. Rape has been normalised in SA. Rape is part of the culture. It is an everyday thing.

A woman in India gets gang raped, Her death caused riots in the streets as the Indian nation unite in disgust, horror & condemnation.

Yet in South Africa 40% of women will be raped in their lifetimes, where is our outrage?

More on Wikipedia: Sexual violence in South Africa