700,000 Seat rigged engines
Oct 7th 2015, 7:59 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
You can check if your Seat is one of those affected here:-
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Apparently mine is not involved.
Check Your Car
Apparently mine is not involved.
Oct 7th 2015, 8:20 am
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Oct 7th 2015, 8:27 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
VW have without conscience rigged the emissions when under test conditions.
If they have done this and it must have been instructed at high level what else are they rigging.
It makes a complete mockery of their claims to be at the forefront of design and manufacture of the most technologically up to date engines.
Oct 7th 2015, 9:17 am
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The tests in most of Europe are no-where near as strict as in California and I think with or without the bug the EA 189 engine would have passed.
I have the top spec 177bhp engine and know from experience that it will cruise for hrs in excess of 100mph with no sweat and return reasonable mpg when you consider it is shifting a brick. A medical emergency last week caused me to find out its top speed is well North of 120 mph and mated to the DSG gearbox will pootle along in sixth down to 35 mph then accelerate strongly if it is needed.
My engine code is not one of the EA 189 series so I was surprised when I put it into the Seat website it came up as a recall. It is fitted with the Urea injection system as pioneered by Scania and used on most of VW GROUP heavy trucks. It has a separate urea tank that holds about 18 ltrs and injects into the exhaust flow to keep the Nox levels low. I can only assume that they wrote one sftware for the ECU and typical of all huge car manufacture dip in the parts bin for one that suits and bingo you've got it.
I talked this through with my mechanic yesterday (he bought a 140 bhp Q3 at the same time as I bought the Alhambra so is definitely due for the recall) and we concluded that mine is best left alone since it might affect the bhp and mpg which I don't want.
The 2015 model has an engine with a 184 bhp output which could be just re-map of the ECU to improve the Nox so I might take mine into an aftermarket "chipper" and see what they can do for me.
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Oct 7th 2015, 9:24 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
On the UK news this morning they said VW were starting the recall in January, and, in most cases it would be a simple software fix, but some vehicles might need to have their cat converter changed.
Oct 7th 2015, 9:26 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
Not in the least surprised for Europe! I have kept quiet during the squabble about all this but am personally affected having last year bought a fully loaded Seat Alhambra for around £36k.
The tests in most of Europe are no-where near as strict as in California and I think with or without the bug the EA 189 engine would have passed.
I have the top spec 177bhp engine and know from experience that it will cruise for hrs in excess of 100mph with no sweat and return reasonable mpg when you consider it is shifting a brick. A medical emergency last week caused me to find out its top speed is well North of 120 mph and mated to the DSG gearbox will pootle along in sixth down to 35 mph then accelerate strongly if it is needed.
My engine code is not one of the EA 189 series so I was surprised when I put it into the Seat website it came up as a recall. It is fitted with the Urea injection system as pioneered by Scania and used on most of VW GROUP heavy trucks. It has a separate urea tank that holds about 18 ltrs and injects into the exhaust flow to keep the Nox levels low. I can only assume that they wrote one sftware for the ECU and typical of all huge car manufacture dip in the parts bin for one that suits and bingo you've got it.
I talked this through with my mechanic yesterday (he bought a 140 bhp Q3 at the same time as I bought the Alhambra so is definitely due for the recall) and we concluded that mine is best left alone since it might affect the bhp and mpg which I don't want.
The 2015 model has an engine with a 184 bhp output which could be just re-map of the ECU to improve the Nox so I might take mine into an aftermarket "chipper" and see what they can do for me.
The tests in most of Europe are no-where near as strict as in California and I think with or without the bug the EA 189 engine would have passed.
I have the top spec 177bhp engine and know from experience that it will cruise for hrs in excess of 100mph with no sweat and return reasonable mpg when you consider it is shifting a brick. A medical emergency last week caused me to find out its top speed is well North of 120 mph and mated to the DSG gearbox will pootle along in sixth down to 35 mph then accelerate strongly if it is needed.
My engine code is not one of the EA 189 series so I was surprised when I put it into the Seat website it came up as a recall. It is fitted with the Urea injection system as pioneered by Scania and used on most of VW GROUP heavy trucks. It has a separate urea tank that holds about 18 ltrs and injects into the exhaust flow to keep the Nox levels low. I can only assume that they wrote one sftware for the ECU and typical of all huge car manufacture dip in the parts bin for one that suits and bingo you've got it.
I talked this through with my mechanic yesterday (he bought a 140 bhp Q3 at the same time as I bought the Alhambra so is definitely due for the recall) and we concluded that mine is best left alone since it might affect the bhp and mpg which I don't want.
The 2015 model has an engine with a 184 bhp output which could be just re-map of the ECU to improve the Nox so I might take mine into an aftermarket "chipper" and see what they can do for me.
Oct 7th 2015, 9:30 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
VW have taken out the dead wood put the top guys in charge and at the same time protected the Brand brilliantly. No effect so far on sales across the VW Group so back to normal.
Oct 7th 2015, 9:59 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
My apologies, I have just checked the website and you are correct! I would never have imagined a Seat Alhambra to be so expensive
It makes my fully loaded Honda CRV look cheap!
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Oct 7th 2015, 10:14 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
I didnt evevn know that SEAT made a car that expensive?
Oct 7th 2015, 10:41 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
You would be surprised. A fully specced top of the range Leon is just under £37k.
Oct 7th 2015, 11:26 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
http://configurator.seat.co.uk/seat-...?msk=1#carline
Oct 7th 2015, 11:29 am
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Re: 700,000 Seat rigged engines
A car is a ten year project for us, the just handed down top spec VW Sharan did 148,000 miles for us and with only one or two hiccups was outstanding now doing stirling service for my daughter and new grandson. Only required annual service and consumables over the whole time. On a cost per year or per mile not a bad bargin since it is still in the family and going strong for a while yet I guess.
They are lining up for the Alhambra but they will have 9 years to wait unless I check out first.
At the other end of the scale I have just changed my runabout a 16 year old Skoda Felicia brought down and registered in Spain. Only 68,000 miles but they gave me a scrapage €3000 for it against a new Skoda Fabia for €6000. Brilliant 3 cylinder petrol engine never had anything like it before but have since found VW are world leaders in that technology as well.
Cost £6000 new in UK all those years ago gave stirling service first to me and then my daughter then we scraped it in UK for £3000 so not a bad deal for 16 years almost just annual service costs.
No we don't throw our cash at cars they have to earn their keep but the Alhambra is probably our last one so we wanted something a bit special and it is. The Sat Nav is not as good as my after-market Snooper which is not the end of the world but irksome to have two running. If I could just figure out how to put the Snooper software on the Alhambra that would be perfection.
They are lining up for the Alhambra but they will have 9 years to wait unless I check out first.
At the other end of the scale I have just changed my runabout a 16 year old Skoda Felicia brought down and registered in Spain. Only 68,000 miles but they gave me a scrapage €3000 for it against a new Skoda Fabia for €6000. Brilliant 3 cylinder petrol engine never had anything like it before but have since found VW are world leaders in that technology as well.
Cost £6000 new in UK all those years ago gave stirling service first to me and then my daughter then we scraped it in UK for £3000 so not a bad deal for 16 years almost just annual service costs.
No we don't throw our cash at cars they have to earn their keep but the Alhambra is probably our last one so we wanted something a bit special and it is. The Sat Nav is not as good as my after-market Snooper which is not the end of the world but irksome to have two running. If I could just figure out how to put the Snooper software on the Alhambra that would be perfection.