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Old Sep 25th 2008 | 6:54 pm
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Question Eldest son just diagnosed with Aspergers so...

As the title says really, he was diagnosed last week, we kind of knew this was going to happen but hoped it wouldn't!! Which is why I haven't been on this forum for a while as not sure what we were doing.

He attends mainstream schooling and as yet doesn't have a great deal of extra help there.

Anyway, we do still really want to move to Canada, we had a great time when we were out there in June and miss it dreadfully.

So, do we try and get husband a job, he is a gas fitter, although looks like it will be BC not Alberta, go out on a TWP, put them in schools and hope for the best?

Or can we not do that?

I know the answers are probably in the wiki but my head is spinning with it all and I wondered if anyone knew if we could do that, and would be able to tell me please?

Thanks for your help.
 
Old Sep 25th 2008 | 8:00 pm
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hi,

Im not sure what you should do in terms of work permits or pr, but just to let you know my cousin in canada has aspergers and the assistance they get is superb, not all free though he's just started mainstream school with an assistant and gets therapy a few times a week.
there seems to be a bit more awareness in Canada than over here if that helps.

good luck
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Originally Posted by littletwinkle46
hi,

Im not sure what you should do in terms of work permits or pr, but just to let you know my cousin in canada has aspergers and the assistance they get is superb, not all free though he's just started mainstream school with an assistant and gets therapy a few times a week.
there seems to be a bit more awareness in Canada than over here if that helps.

good luck
K
That must depend on where you are. Where you are down to the school board level. Support here varies from dick all to quite good.
 
Old Sep 26th 2008 | 1:13 am
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Originally Posted by littletwinkle46
hi,

Im not sure what you should do in terms of work permits or pr, but just to let you know my cousin in canada has aspergers and the assistance they get is superb, not all free though he's just started mainstream school with an assistant and gets therapy a few times a week.
there seems to be a bit more awareness in Canada than over here if that helps.

good luck
K
Our four year old is autistic and we receive quite good support including financial. It might be argued as not being enough but then resources aren't unlimited.
 
Old Sep 26th 2008 | 1:44 am
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Speak to Fionamst, OP. She will have some tips for you about increasing your chances of getting your son through the PR medical. She posted a bit about it yesterday in the early years education thread.
 
Old Sep 26th 2008 | 2:08 am
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Are his mainstream school going to apply for statutory assessment? Essentially it will depend on the level of support he needs and his ability to function independently as an adult as to whether you would need to look at the excessive demand criteria. (My daughter has cp, not aspergers, but essentially the excessive demand rule would be the same).
If you apply for TWP then you have to tick a box to say whether you or any of your dependents would be in need of support from health or social services (in theory this includes special ed ie TA support in mainstream or special schooling). As he is managing with very little support currently then you may well be inside the general rule of thumb limit for excessive demand cut-off (ie Cdn$5000 per annum) - if school are claiming he needs full time 1-1 for example and are statementing accordingly, then things might get a little trickier (despite the poor wages of TAs lol), particularly if he accesses SLT or communication therapy or any other 'health' aspects (CAMHS etc). It will get even trickier if you are (for example) accessing social services with regard to respite care/ dps etc.
We are in the middle of this currently - DH has a job offer, but would need to resign from his current job to apply for TWP due to timescales - and there is a real possibility that we could get turned down and end up with no job at all... It does seem that few people get turned down for TWP on excessive demand criteria, but it is a check box that you would have to complete on the TWP app. As you wouldn't ordinarily need medicals before TWP in this case, I suspect that having ticked the 'yes' box might mean they call you forward for medical in any case - but that's just my own gut feeling and not based on any fact.
So, the Designated Medical Practitioner Handbook is available online (which tells you all the things they look at) and I go through it regularly to remind myself exactly what we are up against with respect to my youngest.
Like Biiink said, there are a few people around who have made it with kids with various sn, but they are reasonably thin on the ground.
If it helps, I'll be messaging fiona too lol.
 
Old Sep 26th 2008 | 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by McNicoll family
As the title says really, he was diagnosed last week, we kind of knew this was going to happen but hoped it wouldn't!! Which is why I haven't been on this forum for a while as not sure what we were doing.

He attends mainstream schooling and as yet doesn't have a great deal of extra help there.

Anyway, we do still really want to move to Canada, we had a great time when we were out there in June and miss it dreadfully.

So, do we try and get husband a job, he is a gas fitter, although looks like it will be BC not Alberta, go out on a TWP, put them in schools and hope for the best?

Or can we not do that?

I know the answers are probably in the wiki but my head is spinning with it all and I wondered if anyone knew if we could do that, and would be able to tell me please?

Thanks for your help.
I dont know if this is any help but here goes...

There's been a lot of debate about the medical inadmissibility and "excessive demand" issue lately. You probably heard about the Chapmans who were recently deported from Halifax? They came on visitor visas (while they were wiating for their application through the NS Community Identified stream to go through) and were denyed entry. They kicked up a fuss and referred to a supposed change in the law back in 2005 regarding how excessive demand should be determined. There wasnt really a change in the law as such but there was an important immigration case that was decided in 2005 in which CIC officers were told that they must balance the "demand" on health services with the economic contribution the applicant was going to make. In other words they couldnt consider the "excessive demand" issue in isolation when the applicants were bringing substantial funds with them and were willing and able to use their own funds to offset the likely demand on health services.

Please note that this change in the rules is only applicable in the case of business-class applicants at the moment though. So if you were planning to start a business here, bring significant funds with you and had the "ability and intent" to use your own funds to reduce the burden on public health/education services then you should be okay.

Otherwise your best course of action is to gather plenty of evidence and be able to make a good case (whether applying for TWP or PR) to show that there wouldnt be "excessive demand".
 
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there are a number of cases where applicants have successfully argued against an excessive demend decision, largley using financial arguments, such as this one http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/...nlii56678.html. The trouble is though it means going to appeal which is something most of us would prefer to avoid.
 
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I am assuming by the way that you have already applied via SW before Feb? ie that you are (in theory) in the system and will (eventually) get your application looked at? I didn't want to do the mad stalker thing to find out your application history - if so, essentially the 'safest' but by far the ssssloooooweeeest option is of course to wait it out until you get called forward to medical. If you haven't got an application in already that stands half a chance of being looked at ever, I'd be tempted to look for a job and tick the box on the TWP form and see what happens... otherwise you'll never know.
 
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my eldest son has Aspergers syndrome and ADHD. He is in a mainstream school and has no help in school no ta etc and he manages just fine. He takes medication for his ADHD which is just nightly, he sees camh every six months to check his weight and blood pressure etc and to see if the meds are working. We too are going to have to face this. He is perfectly able to lead a normal life and has been captain of his cricket team and is a member of the local football team and cubs. He is 9 and has was diagnosed 2 years ago. We will try to argue that he is not excessive demand we will just have to wait and see.
 
Old Sep 26th 2008 | 5:41 am
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Thanks all!!

We haven't started the process yet, as we knew this might happen and didn't want to be too disappointed if the answer was a no!

We came out to Canada anyway as I have always wanted too see it what with my Grandad being Canadian, it has a pull for me!!

At the moment he doesn't have any 1-1 at school, we see CAMHS at the moment but that was just to get him diagnosed, and he will have a few 1-1's with the psych to guage a few things. He will be seeing an OT for a bit as well, other than that it is down to us really, no drugs or anything, so I guess we would be able to claim that he does not have excessive help.

I will pm Fiona thanks for that advice, I hadn't read all through the early years thread so had missed that.

And I had forgotten about the Chapmans, it would not be a good idea then to go out with the approval for his Aspergers. As that would be worse, getting out there and then being thrown out!!

Thanks again everyone anyway.
 

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