Advice on how to handle this please!
Feb 4th 2005, 9:42 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
no C.A.B knocking around in the states then?
Feb 4th 2005, 9:43 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by Bob
no C.A.B knocking around in the states then?
Yup, but it's called S&W!
Feb 4th 2005, 10:21 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Yup, but it's called S&W!
Feb 4th 2005, 10:32 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
I doubt the State police will run a VIN for you without a written request, however, they may if they suspect the vehicle is stolen. Failing that, I'd try carfax, as previously suggested; you can run the VIN and obtain the info you need from there.
Sorry to hear of your problem. Good luck and keep us posted.
Sorry to hear of your problem. Good luck and keep us posted.
Feb 4th 2005, 11:56 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by Tami2
Hi Jay,
I think I may have been in contact with your wife a couple of months ago. I live in State College, too, with my kids. The eldest goes to Penn State. I've had a little contact with the local police and I have to say they've always been extremely nice and helpful. I think, if it was me, I'd go straight to them and get their opinion about how to handle it. They may even be able to send an officer from the town the guy lives in to give him a talking to. Good Luck, Tami
I think I may have been in contact with your wife a couple of months ago. I live in State College, too, with my kids. The eldest goes to Penn State. I've had a little contact with the local police and I have to say they've always been extremely nice and helpful. I think, if it was me, I'd go straight to them and get their opinion about how to handle it. They may even be able to send an officer from the town the guy lives in to give him a talking to. Good Luck, Tami
She says I should say hello to everyone and thanks for all the advice. Please keep it coming. Its much appreciated!Jay
Feb 5th 2005, 12:45 am
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by CaliforniaBride
.....If the car is stolen the police will take the car from you and return it to the person it was stolen from, but you're will most likely go to jail.
If he pleads 'civil compromise' that is he agrees to make everyone whole (you get your money back) the prosecutor might let the guy of the criminal prosecution in exchange.
If he pleads 'civil compromise' that is he agrees to make everyone whole (you get your money back) the prosecutor might let the guy of the criminal prosecution in exchange.
Feb 5th 2005, 5:35 am
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by jjw152
Hi Tami. Yeah, Sarah has been in contact with you before. Thanks for the advice. I'll introduce myself to everybody as they probably know my Mrs. I'm Mr. SarahUK. Thats her in my avatar, isn't she a fox? She says I should say hello to everyone and thanks for all the advice. Please keep it coming. Its much appreciated!
Jay
She says I should say hello to everyone and thanks for all the advice. Please keep it coming. Its much appreciated!Jay
Nice try mister, but you're still not getting a shag this evening.
Feb 5th 2005, 8:16 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by ukemigrant
How do you figure this exactly? Are you missing a word here?
Feb 5th 2005, 8:19 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by CaliforniaBride
Of course it's a typo! I'll go back and correct it.
Thank you and goodnight.
Feb 6th 2005, 5:02 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by Bob
no C.A.B knocking around in the states then?
) will have a legal referral service for inexpensive or free legal advice.
Feb 6th 2005, 9:08 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by jjw152
Hi
I'd really like some advice as to what to do about this situation.
Last July my wife and I bought a car from a car sales business near where we were living at the time in PA. We got the temporary registration paper that goes on the back of your car (the 90 day one) and drove off happy with our new purchase. However 90 days later the dealer still hadn't filed the correct paperwork to the Department of Transport and we didn't have a title or registration. We called the guy numerous times, he kept telling us there was nothing to worry about that the paperwork had gotten mixed up and he would give us another temporary registration. We were rather annoyed at the guy for being so ineffiecient but went over and got another temp registration. Since then we have been calling the guy to ask him how the paperwork is going. Getting hold of him has become nearly impossible, the phone just answers with a fax machine noise, his cell phone is constantly switched off with no answer machine activated and on the times when someone has picked up the phone its been this elderly guy who works doing oil changes all day every day and he is about 90 years old and hard of hearing and just shouts "Theres no-one here!"
We've arranged to meet with the guy before now, for example at 2pm and at 3pm we're still sitting in the car park waiting for him to turn up.
Just after Christmas we moved about 3 1/2 hours drive away as I'm going back to college so unfortunately its difficult for me to drive up there and stake the place out until I see the guy.
Our second temporary registration runs out tomorrow. A week ago we sent him an angry letter asking him to get the situation sorted, but still no word.
I called the Department of Transport yesterday to see if any paperwork had been filed or was in processing but was told no, it wasn't, no record of our car was in their system at all.
What can I do? I'm a full-time student and my wife is the UKC and has just gotten her EAD so doesn't have a job yet, we're struggling to find rent money let alone money for a lawyer. Anyone else been in this situation?
Any advice at all would be really appreciated.
Thanks
Jay.
I'd really like some advice as to what to do about this situation.
Last July my wife and I bought a car from a car sales business near where we were living at the time in PA. We got the temporary registration paper that goes on the back of your car (the 90 day one) and drove off happy with our new purchase. However 90 days later the dealer still hadn't filed the correct paperwork to the Department of Transport and we didn't have a title or registration. We called the guy numerous times, he kept telling us there was nothing to worry about that the paperwork had gotten mixed up and he would give us another temporary registration. We were rather annoyed at the guy for being so ineffiecient but went over and got another temp registration. Since then we have been calling the guy to ask him how the paperwork is going. Getting hold of him has become nearly impossible, the phone just answers with a fax machine noise, his cell phone is constantly switched off with no answer machine activated and on the times when someone has picked up the phone its been this elderly guy who works doing oil changes all day every day and he is about 90 years old and hard of hearing and just shouts "Theres no-one here!"
We've arranged to meet with the guy before now, for example at 2pm and at 3pm we're still sitting in the car park waiting for him to turn up.
Just after Christmas we moved about 3 1/2 hours drive away as I'm going back to college so unfortunately its difficult for me to drive up there and stake the place out until I see the guy.
Our second temporary registration runs out tomorrow. A week ago we sent him an angry letter asking him to get the situation sorted, but still no word.
I called the Department of Transport yesterday to see if any paperwork had been filed or was in processing but was told no, it wasn't, no record of our car was in their system at all.
What can I do? I'm a full-time student and my wife is the UKC and has just gotten her EAD so doesn't have a job yet, we're struggling to find rent money let alone money for a lawyer. Anyone else been in this situation?
Any advice at all would be really appreciated.
Thanks
Jay.
That said, the legal issues are probably: did you acquire good title in good faith for value without notice?
Given the fact pattern presented by the OP, the relevant areas of the law include UCC (Uniform Commercial Code, which from memory is incorporated into state law in just about every state except Louisiana where the state legal system is based, at least partly, on French law), and Commercial Paper Law (CPL) because CPL incorporates “in good faith, for value, without notice� legal doctrine.
Thus, the question of vehicle ownership post is fact dependent. If the purchased vehicle was stolen and then sold on to you, the ownership issue would probably be determined by a civil court (if it went that far) based on whether you acquired title in good faith, i.e., did you pay value, without notice (that the vehicle was stolen, i.e., would a reasonable person exposed to the same fact pattern conclude that the vehicle was genuinely on sale), etc. But there might be criminal legal issues here (re: the seller or agent "selling" the vehicle), so talk to a lawyer to find out what steps you should take to ensure you sound and act like a decent honest citizen that you are.
Right now, you need to talk to a lawyer in your state to ascertain if you have good title since it seems (but I might be wrong) that you don't have sufficient paperwork to satisfy the DMV as to proper transfer of Title. (The appropriate part of the Title and Registration document should have been filed in and signed (i.e., executed) by the original seller of the vehicle.)
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Feb 7th 2005, 3:30 am
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by Bob
no C.A.B knocking around in the states then?
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Feb 7th 2005, 12:54 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by NC Penguin
Nearest thing to my knowledge is the Better Business Bureau (BBB) but they suck! Don't really help the consumer. Only provides information/reports. If you ask them for direct assistance, they usually refer you to someone else. At least that's my experience...
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Penguin - Is there a US equivalent of the Citizens Advice Bureau? I've filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau but after reading your and the other posts I'm not going to sit back and wiat for them to do anything. I called Penn state Department of Transport this morning who said that unless the guy had gone out of business there is nothing they can do and that we need to go back to the dealership to see the guy. However, our 2nd temp registration ran out on Saturday so it is now illegal to drive the car so if we did go driving back up to the dealership, which is 3 1/2 hours away we'd be shitting ourselves all the way over getting stopped. Also, we have gone to stake out his dealership before when we lived nearer but have literally sat in the car park for hours and he's not shown up. I called this cowboy this morning again too but the phone, as usual, just picks up with a fax machine noise.
I'm starting to tear my hair out! Anyone know of any gangstas in N.E. PA who'd do a Sapranos on this meathead for me?
Feb 7th 2005, 6:42 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by SarahUK
Penguin - Is there a US equivalent of the Citizens Advice Bureau?
Feb 7th 2005, 7:15 pm
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Re: Advice on how to handle this please!
Originally Posted by SarahUK
Penguin - Is there a US equivalent of the Citizens Advice Bureau?
