Student to Permanent Residency
Aug 15th 2008 | 6:17 am
#31
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Wow I didn't know that. I've just been on the CRICOS website to check their courses for NSW and there's about 650 of them. Do you know how can I find out which TRA assesed occupations are on CRICOS? It will take days to go through them. Basically I need to learn a 60 point occupation which means a trade with 900 hrs experience so was thinking along the line of normal trades. I'm surprised there are not full time CRICOS courses to cover "normal" trades.
Aug 15th 2008 | 7:49 am
#32
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Try this website..........
http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/Splash2.aspx
This is really helpful, will let you search for exactly what course you're looking for , where etc.....
Hope this helps.
http://studyinaustralia.gov.au/Sia/Splash2.aspx
This is really helpful, will let you search for exactly what course you're looking for , where etc.....
Hope this helps.
Aug 15th 2008 | 8:14 am
#33
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From: England
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
And I can't find many cabinet making courses and those that I have found require apprenticeship which is only open to Aussie citizens!?
Aug 17th 2008 | 11:42 pm
#34
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Arrived March 2006, started cert III in hairdressing in March.
Finished course in August 2007 and applied for TRA. Took 6 weeks! ...
... but had put together good case so was confident. Subclass 880 went in at the end of August 2007, everything front loaded.
Decision granted early May 2008.
With a lovely YAY! ...
Last edited by PaulandNic; Aug 17th 2008 at 11:48 pm.
Aug 19th 2008 | 2:01 pm
#35
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Great post Bradburns. Is your course at least a Cert III. I beleive this is the minimum requirement. I'm not sure how to start my search for a course - whether by duration, level of certification or by relevance to my previous experience/qualifications. I'll try and contact your contact.
Sorry for the late reply,
Yes the course is a certificat level III. The best thing to do is google Cricos, click on course selection, enter what state you want to live in, the qualification you want at the end of it and the area of work.
Ours was: QLD, Cet III, and Cabinet Making.
My hubby is doing a furniture making (Cabinet Making) course at Acacia Ridge skillstech.
If you contact Stefan, he'll sort you out.
Aug 28th 2008 | 12:23 am
#36
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,483
From: Inner Western suburbs of Sydney
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
People planning the onshore study route should be aware that one issue with the new TRA assessment guideline, the MAP, which was to have been introduced on 1 September and has now been postponed, was that trades skills assessments for onshore students were to require 900 hours of paid employment. It seems that this requirement is going to be a sticking point, I have today received the following message from a trades expert explaining the problem:
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Aug 28th 2008 | 1:43 am
#37
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Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 216
From: Glasgow, Scotland
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
People planning the onshore study route should be aware that one issue with the new TRA assessment guideline, the MAP, which was to have been introduced on 1 September and has now been postponed, was that trades skills assessments for onshore students were to require 900 hours of paid employment. It seems that this requirement is going to be a sticking point, I have today received the following message from a trades expert explaining the problem:
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
regards
Sharon
Aug 28th 2008 | 4:56 am
#38
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Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 49
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
People planning the onshore study route should be aware that one issue with the new TRA assessment guideline, the MAP, which was to have been introduced on 1 September and has now been postponed, was that trades skills assessments for onshore students were to require 900 hours of paid employment. It seems that this requirement is going to be a sticking point, I have today received the following message from a trades expert explaining the problem:
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Would really appreciate a feedback from ur side.
Cheers.
Aug 28th 2008 | 11:52 am
#39
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 700
From: Bocas del Toro
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
People planning the onshore study route should be aware that one issue with the new TRA assessment guideline, the MAP, which was to have been introduced on 1 September and has now been postponed, was that trades skills assessments for onshore students were to require 900 hours of paid employment. It seems that this requirement is going to be a sticking point, I have today received the following message from a trades expert explaining the problem:
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Today I spoke with a Senior Skills Assessor from TRA regarding:
* The introduction of the MAP, and
* Paid employment for AQF Cert III Students seeking recognition through TRA so they could apply to DIAC for permanent residence
In relation to the introduction of the MAP, I was advised that it has been deferred. Furthermore NO introduction date was known
When queried as to why it was being deferred I was advised that NO explanation had been supplied to TRA staff members
As for "Paid Employment" to satisfy the TRA 900 hour work experience requirement. The advice received was:
* Yes, evidence of paid employment for the minim um 900 hours is now required
* The reason for this has something to do with STATE industrial relation requirements, as I understand this, it means on the various State and Territories it is illegal to employ/engage persons in the work place without renumerating them
I pointed out that many of the students gain initial engagement on a work experience basis and once they gain sufficient skill through their formal training and work experience the employer then takes them on as an employee and pays them. As a consequence of this practice it will be very difficult for students to attain their 900 hours work experience (now they must be paid) and not breach their VISA work restrictions
The response was that the decision is NON Negotiable
Suggest that given the REAL world that students exist in it may be in the interests of migration agents to start lobbying through the MIA, writing to the DIAC Minister and via your local Federal MPs to have this situation reviewed.
I suggest two options exist:
1. Students be allowed to work what ever hours they can while undertaking FULL TIME training (part time training not being allowed as this will see foreign Students undertaking training for ever)
2. Or, reality be acknowledged by DWEER and DIAC that students, especially in the early part of their training will find almost impossible to gain paid employment until they have attained a degree of skills and experience in the field they are training in.
This is a significant issue for those already studying and those planning to, and I do encourage all of you to start writing to the Minister about this, like everything else.
Cheers,
George Lombard
Have sent you a pm
Esther
Aug 28th 2008 | 1:07 pm
#40
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 700
From: Bocas del Toro
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
I got one from Mark at Brisbane school of hairdressing saying we would all be ok, but now have questioned this and it seems that the TRA have changed their minds again. I guess this means more letters to the government. Wish someone would stop moving the goalposts every 5 minutes!
Aug 30th 2008 | 12:24 am
#41
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Joined: May 2007
Posts: 353
From: Budapest, Melbourne, Yarrawonga & Antalya
Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Oz DIAC laws bit like the Nuremburg laws from early 1930s Nazi Germany.....used to frustrate Jews before things got really nasty..... 
Australia needs people but domestic politics gives message that we do not want people.....
Australia needs people but domestic politics gives message that we do not want people.....
Aug 30th 2008 | 1:16 am
#42
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
Aug 30th 2008 | 2:01 am
#43
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Re: Student to Permanent Residency
If you read the first post you will see that the intention of the thread is to gather information for a Wiki article. Comments like that add nothing useful to such a thread, so can we please get back on topic.
