Originally Posted by upyerfud

To suggest companies who employ hundreds of thousands of highly taxed employees should contribute to the country is about the stupidest remark I've seen on this forum for a long time. Their taxes, both personal and corporate, and mining royalties are all thats keeping the country going at the moment.
Almost beaten by thinking that 457 workers are cheaper than locals.

Originally Posted by boots

Very simple,
Why pay a "Local" say $XYZ when you can have 2 or 3 457 Visa holders for the same price?
Why worry about when the worker is permanantly injured?No costs
Why worry if any of your workers speak up on safety etc?Easy ,replace them with workers too scared to complain.
Why try and cheat workers out of their Contract/Agreed/Law wage?Easy way around it is employ 457 employees only.
And they are not paid the same as Australians.
Fact.
The Racist tag,,so easily used by those too lazy to think
Ever wonder why USA is in the doldrums?
Or was that racist outsourcing their industries and bring in "CHEAP" Overseas labour to further lower the American economy.
I seem to remember the vast majority of British sqeaking,moaning etc when their nation was flooded by cheap Polish workers,and before that Indian and Pakis.
Look how great England is today.
There is enough wealth and prosperity for ALL Australians to enjoy without lowering our standard of living to a Third World Nation

Originally Posted by desert-rat

Most of the comments i have seen about the protests are aimed at and these are not my words but I quote *Snipped*. So maybe people are being given the impression that 457 visas are going to be given on masse to people from Asia??

Originally Posted by boots

Very simple,
Why pay a "Local" say $XYZ when you can have 2 or 3 457 Visa holders for the same price?
Why worry about when the worker is permanantly injured?No costs
Why worry if any of your workers speak up on safety etc?Easy ,replace them with workers too scared to complain.
Why try and cheat workers out of their Contract/Agreed/Law wage?Easy way around it is employ 457 employees only.
And they are not paid the same as Australians.
Fact.
The Racist tag,,so easily used by those too lazy to think
Ever wonder why USA is in the doldrums?
Or was that racist outsourcing their industries and bring in "CHEAP" Overseas labour to further lower the American economy.
I seem to remember the vast majority of British sqeaking,moaning etc when their nation was flooded by cheap Polish workers,and before that Indian and *Snipped*.
Look how great England is today.
There is enough wealth and prosperity for ALL Australians to enjoy without lowering our standard of living to a Third World Nation

Originally Posted by boots

I was replying on the basis of using White Australia policy,Racism etc in the above posts.
It is a confirmed concern,I know personally,how the"457 System" operates.
This isn't in regards to Proffesional careers 457 Visa's.
Lets say Gina R.,a large Mine owner,wants to make more money-fair call as thats why anyone is in business.
The company requires ,say 350 workers,for their Big Dirt Mine in Upper Kumbukaa West.
They advertise for a Truck Operator with First Aid,Logistics etc etc qualifications.I apply and get an auto generated ,if any at all,rejection.
MMmmmm,I have Para-Medic qualifications,so tick on the 1st aid,have MC(Road Trains,Tippers + all types of other heavy machinary tickets etc-again tick,have extensive remote Desert work experience here and in USA/Mexico,have a Diploma in Logistics Management-But I am not qualified enough to operate a small truck in a straight line!!!True story!!!
I know of an Engineer in Brisbane in the same boat!!!!
So Mining Company goes back to Government persons dealing with "Labour Shortage" and pleads their case,Labour Minister scared of Mining Company rubber stamps 457 for UNSKILLED LABOURERS ,whilst decreeing he is doing all he can to alleviate the LABOUR SHORTAGE.
And the person saying that companies have to pay the 457 Visa Holder the equiv. wage?
Why do you think a lot of jobs are only advertised in New Zealand or China and escp.The Philippines?
Why was the Irish Man killed on a building site rigging when his 457 Visa was for a highly qualified Engineer?

Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76

I don't care if you are quoting or not, that language isn't appropriate on here. Please don't repeat it.





I have heard that argument so many times in the UK it's not even funny. Person X can't get a job & so it's the fault of the immigrants. You're complaining that:

Yet the people who make those kinds of arguments usually are racist. You've shown no evidence for your assertions. Would you care to back up your claims? Oh, and please avoid using racist language when/if you do so. I've edited it from the quote in my post, in case you're wondering which bit I'm referring to.

I agree with Tramps_mate. You've provided no evidence & you just sound incredibly bitter because someone else got the job & you didn't.

Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76

I don't care if you are quoting or not, that language isn't appropriate on here. Please don't repeat it.





I have heard that argument so many times in the UK it's not even funny. Person X can't get a job & so it's the fault of the immigrants. You're complaining that:

Yet the people who make those kinds of arguments usually are racist. You've shown no evidence for your assertions. Would you care to back up your claims? Oh, and please avoid using racist language when/if you do so. I've edited it from the quote in my post, in case you're wondering which bit I'm referring to.

I agree with Tramps_mate. You've provided no evidence & you just sound incredibly bitter because someone else got the job & you didn't.

Originally Posted by boots

Took me 0.0005 sec and this is a random selection of the 457 Visa system being used to "Exploit and Underpay" those involved;

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/employers-...725-1hx98.html

I have personal experience at it,and no, as being a tad more intelligent won't fall for the libel trap.Will freely provide examples.,etc offline..
So I am a racist?????Where was my language Racist??
Based on what evidence?
That's a big call
Re-Read my post,

Originally Posted by Tramps_mate

Haha! Not seen that one for years!

Dey terk er jeerbs!!!

Derk a der!!!

Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76

Originally Posted by boots

OK,
Understanding comprehension is out of grasp to a few people with agendas
Facts are facts.
Why the need to belittle people that are stating facts and opinion is beyond me.
Its OK,know where you are coming from,
Trying to have a sensible debate,but,,,,

Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76

Stating "fact" after something doesn't automatically make it so. I think your agenda is fairly clear. I don't see how you think you are going to have a sensible debate when your point comes down to "I'm bitter because another person got the job I wanted. I know, it's because of cheaper immigrants. It can't be me at all."

Originally Posted by boots

Might try something other than selective quotes and answer all my questions instead of ranting on a few lines of my post

Try and be non-subjective sometimes

Originally Posted by mrsgreenstar76

"Kettle, this is Pot. You're black!"

You have based your entire argument on your experience of failing to get a job & your unsubstantiated theory as to why that occurred. The fact that that is extremely subjective seems to have flown right over your head.

Originally Posted by boots

AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhh,
OK,I will make this even easy,simple,understanding etc for you.
Re-read my post and comprehend my statement/comment/Point of view etc.
I have used an example to substantiate my view,but you have decided to use selective nit-picking,which I find .
Hey You keep retorting and dig a bigger hole in which to extricate yourself,be my guest