Tom H

We thought 275 was chaseable - we'll have to look at the data

And there is the classic response as to how completely out of touch this imbecile is! You do not need to split the Bangladesh innings into 37 different pie charts to work out they scored 275. You do not need to plot a statistical analysis graph to see that Ian Bells run rate in ODIs is as fast as Sogelau Tuvalu in the 100m. And you certainly do not need a data recorder to know that you and the coaching staff think we can win ODI games by playing test match style. How many times throughout this world cup competition have you seen our bowlers bowl short pitched outside off or down leg which in ODI = glorious boundaries for the opposition. How many times have we decided the best way to attack is block, block, one to cover, block, block, one to inside leg.

Heads need to roll and the dinosaurs at the ECB need to realize that we are not in 1973 anymore, we're in 2015. Nations such as Australia, South Africa and India coach their players to ODI and test match standard. They teach them how to change their batting and bowling ways in the game. How many full Yorkers did England bowl during this world cup?? You'll just need one hand to count how many...

Moores, Clarke, Morgan, the whole set up quite frankly needs to go. Anderson and Broad should never wear an England shirt again for ODIs. It's an embarrassment that we're allowing our captain to miss our first ODI games so that he can play in the IPL. That should never happen

On the final note, if Moores wants to look at data, then have a look at Bopara, Stokes and Hales' records against Australia and New Zealand during the recent tours. Then explain why Bopara never got a game, and why Stokes never made it on the plane.

I hope they get sent home on an Indonesian fishing boat, crossing Tsunami style waves. Quite frankly they don't deserve to go home in the cargo hold. They have been the complete laughing stock of this world cup and their dinosaur coaching style team need the boot as well. Otherwise we may as well forfeit the world cup in 2019 so that we don't get the expected 0 points.

Rubbish, utter rubbish!

Charismatic

Yet most of them play English club cricket?

Going well here, come on Ireland!

chocolate cake

Yep, 'We thought 275 was chaseable - we'll have to look at the data', what a classic.
I know there was some objections on here earlier, but some heads have to roll, this world cup has been all time low for England.
Moore and Downton have to go, and some of the players too, Anderson must never play another ODI, and will need to show form to be in the Tests too. Broad too, bowling's been pathetic and he's become a walking wicket again.

So few positives to actually form the basis of a decent team.

Nevermind, all behind NZ now.

I see Ireland took a beating from India today, but still even if they fail to take anything from their last game against Pakistan, they can comfortably call themselves European champions!

Charismatic

...About that actually, the batting is a worry at the moment.
"Yeah...uhhh...I'm doing my hair that night Mr. Graves so I'm out. Now tell me, does you phone do this? <Click>" Wise Gillespie, wise .

msi geek

Tweet from Kevin Pietersen:

DO NOT SAY WE HAVENT PRIORITISED ODI CRICKET! We played a back to back Ashes to make sure England played 6 months of ODI's before this WC!

And he’s right. Far from helping England in either event, the rejigged schedule has, in successive winters, produced the joint-worst Ashes defeat in history and their most miserable exit yet from a World Cup.

TommyLuck

It might be my minds eye, but it feels like all formats of English Cricket is as it was in the late 90's - although of course t20 was barely an idea at professional level back then.

Is it that bad, or am I laying it on a bit thick?

Test matches in England are the only saving grace just now.

To go out of a world cup before the knockout stages for the 3rd time in 5 world cup and with a game to spare is so desperately poor.


One positive in this huge negative is that at least there has been no papering over the cracks by squeaking in to the QF's and then sneaking a dodgy win and a show of glorious definance and in a Semi Final defeat.

What has been showing of late is the epitome of abject and let's be honest the complete pummelling

msi geek

In England, they believe that ODI, T20 are mere Entertainment Packages - the real cricket is Test Cricket - even then England isn't topping the Test rankings either.

chocolate cake

I think it as bad as the 90's despite only 2 years ago being top of the tree, last winter's Ashes tour was truly awful, a 5-0 beating and not close in any. India were whitewashed in Australia just earlier this year, but at least they showed some fight.
Our summer test series last year were barely passable, 1-0 loss to the Sri Lankan's and 3-1 win against the Indians who traditionally don't tour well and were rebuilding.

I fear for the Ashes this summer, it could be unpleasant viewing.

Agree re: the World Cup the huge negative ought to be better than sneaking win against Bangladesh and taking another defeat in the 1/4's. Despite being no.1 in the ODI's just over two years ago, we haven't won a WC knock out game since 92 and the memorable game when South Africa were left needing 13 runs from 1 ball

Charismatic

I'll be cheering for Afghanistan to be honest, they earned their place in this world cup and England still clearly haven't got the message.

scrubbedexpat094

Is this still going on......?

Charismatic

It'll be interesting to see how the New Zealand middle order bat.

Charismatic

Well Ross Taylor looks in trouble, the run rate was way too low and he never looked to attack. Just surviving ball to ball letting the rate drop away from the target. Also that review was horrible, even Ross didn't think it was close.

This is a similar situation to the one England found themselves in against Bangladesh. Lets hope New Zealand have more depth to their batting.

Charismatic

Right results, but clearly poor tactics and work still to do on batting.

ETA: Mitchell McClenaghan is too expensive for international cricket right now, he should no be subbed in again if there is an alternative. Elliot was a much better choice.

chocolate cake

Yeah NZ have been heavily reliant on McCullum & Williamson in the batting, good to see Guptill show some form. Ross Taylor despite that knock seems to be getting worse and worse. But good to see NZ pull through, they'd like to be playing Ireland in the 1/4's for sure, but despite 3 wins it's unlikely.

England looking good to win the battle of the minnows against Afghanistan in the rain adjusted game, perhaps we should enter a secondary world cup with the likes of Scotland, Afghanistan & UAE, we'd stand a reasonable chance of getting to the final there.

Charismatic

They are already hugely committed. They play a series in the West Indies, then come to NZ for a couple of games and then to Australia to be properly humiliated I expect. Sadly there will be little time for rebuilding the team in the near future.