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If 0.05 of one per cent of all of the migrants that have entered Sweden this year are undercover ISIL members, that means there are 40 trained terrorists at large in the country. Look what they managed to do in Paris and there were only 7 of them! Go figure.

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It seems now that the Parisian terrorists were French citizens, born in France.

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Going back how many generations ?

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I do not have that information. Probably from the huge influx of North Africans which started in the 1960s. The History of French involvement with the Maghreb does not make for happy reading.
My point was simply that they are not recent migrants.

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The point I was making, was do they regard themselves as French citizens or do their sympathies still lie with their country of origin or that of their predecessors ?
I notice that the media are always keen to mention that they are French Citizens as though much of the responsibility for their actions lies with their country of residence. Same applies with the UK.

However if they have never fully integrated or accepted French culture and beliefs, then what responsibility for their actions lies with France ?

I do not need a history lesson in who did what and when, I'm simply considering the situation as it stands at present and how best to move on.

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No way to figure it out I'm afraid, but my guess is that their numbers are many and no doubt added to by Mad Mama Merkels crazy policies, with many more yet to come.
I notice the UK is adding a few thousand more to its security forces in an attempt to keep an eye on them, but at the end of the day the sheer numbers probably make it an absolutely impossible task.

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So what would Dick the Dastardly propose ? Should we deport everyone whose ancestors cannot be traced back to 1689 ?

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Can't answer that I'm afraid, though I do believe that until fairly recently the situation was still reasonably manageable, now I wouldn't know where to begin.:confused:

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In his attempt to out-Merkel Merkel, the Swedish Prime Minister offered immediate asylum to any Syrian migrants who arrived in Sweden. The only people rubbing their hands with glee at this madness were the people traffickers. Although this offer has now been withdrawn, the fact is that nearly 200,000 migrants entered Sweden, and many of these simply disappeared before they could be registered. No matter their citizenship, this unknown number would make my hair stand on end if I was head of Swedish Security.

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Norman Tebbit made a good point. ;) ..... Actually he made many! :nod:

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It might have been thought that the Swedes would have learnt their lesson by now with the numbers they already have on their hands and their failure to integrate.
The cities are now full to overflowing, so they're now packing them off into tiny country villages, where the locals don't want them and the immigrants don't want to be there as there vitually nothing of any interest or use to them.
So off they trot way up towards the Arctic and cross into Finland, much the same result, so many of them are now heading South again to add to Germanys problems.
On top of all that many have crossed over into Finland and the other Baltic countries having passed through Russia, where understandably they are not wanted and don't any linger more than they have to.

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It might have been thought that the Swedes would have learnt their lesson by now with the numbers they already have on their hands and their failure to integrate.
The cities are now full to overflowing, so they're now packing them off into tiny country villages, where the locals don't want them and the immigrants don't want to be there as there is virtually nothing of any interest or use to them.
So off they trot way up towards the Arctic and cross into Finland, much the same result, so many of them are now heading South again to add to Germanys problems.
On top of all that many have crossed over into Finland and the other Baltic countries having passed through Russia, where understandably they are not wanted and don't any linger more than they have to.

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The Swedish government recently announced changes in their asylum policy:

• Under their Aliens Act Sweden will now only accept the EU minimum level of refugees (for the next three years.)

• The right to family reunification will be subject to a very strict time limit.

• All unaccompanied children will have their age ‘medically verified’

• All new asylum seekers will be given temporary residence permits only. (except for children and families who registered before the new rules are introduced.)

• ID checks will be enforced on all modes of public transport to Sweden.

....something about slamming, stable door and equine animal 'bolting' spring to mind…?:unsure:

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Yes, but the new rules will only come into effect from next april (2016), and with no guarantee that they will actually be inforced. With an estimated 20,000 coming every week, they're simply thinking about closing the stable door.

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I find the ignorance and arrogance of some on here breath-taking.
You who imply that immigration will destroy your own culture are immigrants yourselves.
Isn't that what BF Expats exists for?
If you have to judge, do so by who people are and not by what your own prejudices tell you they ought to be.

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I think their sympathies might well not lie with the country that tortured and killed their grandparents. It's difficult to judge how many generations it takes people to forgive one's parents' or grandparents' oppressors and their successors. My mother (died 1999) never forgave "the Japanese" for the atrocities they committed on Australian PoWs - even those Japanese of later generations. I know Jews who have never yet forgiven "the Germans", these 70-odd years later. (Some English and Poles, even.) There are bound to be a whole lot of Algerians - and their children and grandchildren of whatever nationality - who haven't yet forgiven "the French" for the atrocities they committed during their occupation of Algeria.

Ho hum... that's life, I'm afraid.

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Lots of Middle Easterners seem to still hold a grudge against "the Crusaders" from around 600-900 years ago. Plenty of Brits haven't forgotten the Norman conquest of 950 years ago. I am not aware of any grudge being held against the Romans/ Italians for conquering and oppressing the British 1,600-2,000 years ago, so empirically it appears to take around 1,000 to 1,500 years for the descendants of an oppressed people to "get over it". :)

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Here's another bit of maths for you. I read in Gävle Dagbladet yesterday that the local council are preparing a reception centre (under canvas!) for some of the masses of migrants arriving in Sweden every day. The cost? 167,000 (yes) Swedish Crowns PER PLACE. That is somewhere near 14 or 15 thousand quid per individual - and even then the total number of migrants that this reception centre can take is only 3,000. The pockets of the long-suffering Swedish taxpayers must be nearing empty by now!

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Interesting.

I watched an SVT news programme (a few weeks ago now) concerning the rising costs, to kommuns (municipal councils), due to the immigration surge. Only a few kommuns were reported to have raised taxes next year. The TV presenter asked one Kommun leader why they were not doing it..?

I understood the answer to be - not that they didn't need to, it was more '..we haven't found the right way to explain why we might need to'

The cost of immigration is being masked as much as possible by reasons like 'we must have more teachers, schools, healthcare staff, etc - in short, itemizing each piece of expenditure and even blaming the previous Government for not investing enough.

If government, both local and national, went to the public and were honest about the real cost in taxes for mass-immigration policies I can guess what the public's response would be:eek:

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Travelling in Turkey fifty years ago, we two Australians found ourselves rather popular, especially in the Gallipoli region. The fact that our forefathers had invaded Turkey was not held against us; on the contrary, we were welcomed because the Turks' forefathers had beaten the invaders back!

I guess some of the educated classes may have held a grudge against the European invaders of long ago, but the few we encountered didn't mention it. The lower classes - among whom we mixed - didn't even know about it, to the best of our knowledge. The Arabs - of all classes - bitterly resented the European (Jewish) invaders of Palestine in the 1940s, though. To my shock (I was an unsophisticated youth), I was told that they regarded Winston Churchill as a war criminal for supporting that invasion. I wonder if they still do.