Are You Paid According To Your Skin Colour?
 

interesting article - sad but true !

http://gulfbusiness.com/2013/03/are-.../#.UU7Iehwj2VE

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The average monthly salary for a Western expatriate in the UAE is $11,936.

AVERAGE????? thats best part of AED44,000!

I don't think so.

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I think I agree with Kix, average seems quite high.

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I used to be when I worked for the government. I was on a Grade 2 salary, whereas my two Indian colleagues were on respectively Grade 3 salary (Northern Inda) and Grade 4 salary (Southern India). We all did the same job.

Now I work for an international company and we are all paid according to our qualifications and experience, which is how it should be :)

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Sad but true? I certainly don't think so. I'm sure that there are plenty of Asian expats who would love to be earning their "average" salary of USD8,853 ( over Dhs32,500)! Where do they invent these figures?

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Thats odd that they differentiate amongst Indians, thought they lumped all Subcons as one in regards to salary and treatment.

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They are brutal with each other. I try moving Southern Indians to the North and finding guys to do it is like finding rocking horse shit.

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Nope. Well, not at the AD govt, anyway.

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Pardon my confusion; you mean that as Human Resources / Recruiter you try to find work for S.Indians in Northern India but S.Indians do not want to move north?

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So they pay Northern Indians and I assume Pakistanis more for the same job than Southern Indians? How do they possibly determine who is Northern and who is Southern :confused:
Am curious;do Pathans get treated the same as Grade 3 salary types? When I was in AD, Pathans were most visible in the construction, landscaping and taxi driver industry , the first 2 were about the worst jobs with the possible exception of housemaid, depending on how human the employer was.

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That's about education, not race.

I get paid according to my passport which is "Western". Those with "Eastern" passports get paid less, simply because the company thinks that they will accept less based on what they would get paid after tax in their home countries. And... the company is correct in that assumption, as there are far more Eastern engineers than Western engineers, so obviously there is not a shortage of takers.

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Are you referring to the case of Pathans?

LLL mentioned N.Indians were in a higher salary category than S.Indians for doing the same job, so it isn't nationality or education .

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Drink from the teat while the cream still flows, western fat cats.

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How goes Emiratisation,Qatarisation,Saudisation,Kuwaitisati on ?
Is the UAE quite successfull in replacing Westerners with Locals?

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As the saying goes, it's hard to get the patient to take the medicine when they quite like the disease.

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I am busy in the North and South at the moment. Southern guys are much less interested in Delhi for example. I've had a whole host of reasons as to why including being worried about getting abused physically. Honestly couldn't make it up.

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That wouldn't surprise me if it was 30 years ago, but this is 2013 ...
Ofcourse these Northerners will be quick to play the victim when living in the UK .

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Nope, well not in my industry (Con/insulting Eng).

Western (Brits, Aussies etc) were the mainstay (in my British firm) and more recently I have noticed an increase in European engineers (Greek, French especially).

Subcon engineer numbers have stayed pretty consistent for the last few (7) years.

As for Arabs, relatively few and none of which are in senior positions. A few Egyptians but no Emiratis, Kuwaitis etc that I can think of. They are probably employed but never turn up for work.

From my experience the reason the Westerners get paid more is because they are needed to be Client facing. Irregardless of if an Subcon engineer is better or worse an Emirati would rather sit and talk to a Brit than a Subcon engineer. This is especially the case on big expensive projects as they want to feel they are getting what they pay for.

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It's not all of them, there are plenty who will do it. But the ratio I get is about 50:50.

Jobs in Mumbai; everyone is all over it.

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So............ to put on my devil's advocate hat, and turn things round (stop me when you've heard enough cliches), I have a question:

'Would an Indian, from north OR south, do YOUR job better than you can?'

I'm not knocking your skills, but would an Indian employer prefer someone who 'knows' the local market better than you?

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Going back to the original survey (where is it, by the way? I can only find articles about it), I am confused by one aspect - are they simply recording average salary according to nationality, ethnic background, etc, or is there some element of 'getting paid more for doing the same job' in there?

Anyway - those numbers will be distorted by recruitment policies in the first place. In my profession, and I'm sure many others, if a firm is looking for a senior manager or executive, they look to the west. Further down the scale ('Accounts Manager' or whatever), they know there are many Indians who will do that job very well.

For this reason, the Indian will earn less than the Westerner. Nothing to do with skin colour - it's just that the Westerners tend to hold more senior positions.

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Yes and no. There is bucket-loads to be said for local knowledge, local inside info and being based locally.

However, working for a big British firm, I am not just finding guys sat in the South, but in the UAE/ Qatar / KSA etc to go back to India to work on big schemes. Chaps born and raised in the South are definitely hesitant...but these are more 'senior' / management roles where we will have a blend of local and expats on project.

There will be roles beneath these guys - I won't be recruiting for them but I may be involved in reviewing profiles sent by local firms as the first check if you like.

Basically, I'm a self important bellend who wants to work on stuff that makes me more money but has no interest in filling engineer / supervision roles because they don't make me money.

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Probably in the same way we quickly work out who is from the North or South in the UK...


Of course, there are always exceptions. I have several Indian and Pakistani clients who are earning way above the Western averages.

And when the average is referred to is it the mean or the median? That could give quite different numbers.

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I had thought of the linguistic aspect but then doesn't it become a chore to try and and figure out whos mother tongue is Southern and whos is Northern, and all for what?

AD government will try and pay the least amount they can to secure the services of person, so why would they pay Indians from the North more than those from the South? Paying more to Westerners or Japanese makes sense because of: higher standard of living , cost of living and the greater opportunities available in said 1st world nations. So UAE needs to offer an attractive package to entice these nationals , but with Indians, it doesn't make sense that they would pay X more than Y for the same job and qualifications based on geography.

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I wonder whether the Gov pay differently because of how much you will bring to the economy.

Lets suggest an arbitary figure of AED20,000 a month.

How much of that will stay in the UAE (Rent, food, general stuff) for a Westerner and an Indian?

I'd suggest a hell of a lot more will stay in the UAE by employing a Westerner than an Indian.

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BUT, surely the rent goes to Iran, the food money goes to France, the spare change goes offshore and what's left is spent on booze which stays with the Dubai man.

Oh, wait. Most of my '20,000' goes back into the system it would seem.

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I don't employ Indians, Egyptians and Pakistanis. Indians as they are naturally submissive which does not help in sales,pakistanis as 99.9% of them are stupid and they scare me and Egyptians as I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. I would employ any westerner with half a brain though.

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So would you employ a western egyptian, a western indian, or a western pakistani ?

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:britflag:

Knob.

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Western educated and traits, yes.

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I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and assume there was a hidden joke

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Bear Shits in Woods

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My Husband always said this when working for ADNOC. All Grade 13 employees were paid the same salary, Indian, British, Canadian etc.

We lived in Abu Dhabi for 12 years, purchased a brand new car every 3 years aswell as buying the latest gadgets, mobile phones, dining out etc.

The Indian, Pakistani, sudanese employees all drove 20 year old cars, had Nokia brick phones and send the bulk of thier salary home.

Also, they cost the company a lot more than a western family because we had two children yet the others had five or six kids which was, five.lots of airfares, five lots of school fees, bigger housing allowance, seven flights a year,

They also spent a lot of time at the Dr's getting the free medication and sending it home.

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What a horrible, begrudging post :(

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I'd have thought any standard contract would have "upto 2 dependents (children)" in it?

We can't even get teeth cleaning in our medical insurance here, something that is "preventive" treatment on a bi-annual basis and would result in less expenditure in the long run.

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Younger IndoPaks nowadays dont have the "send money home" mindset particularly if they are second generation migrants; at the place I work in, the younger ones who are paid well live pretty decently splashing out on cars and vacations while the older generation are still stuck in their "Sunny to Camry to Pajero" mentality.

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My husband's team are all Indian or Sri Lankan, and they all have better phones than him :D

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Interesting comment.

So are you saying your husband is a technophobe or that you perceive he's somewhat inferior because he has a rubbish phone?

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Neither. I couldn't give a fig about technology or status objects (with the exception of cars, of course). I am just pointing out that the post above seems like a load of rubbish.

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Sounds about right a few years ago. These days more and more are spending money here and looking at cars as status items and only having a couple of children, its the poorer that seem to have more kids?