The year ahead- 2012
Jan 7th 2012, 4:44 am
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Conversely, my local village cricket team in the UK was predominantly working class, a postman, HVAC fitter, and an electrician were our best players, while I guess you are talking the Union code of Rugby as League is almost 100% a working class sport.
Polo has always been for toffs, no argument with that, except for one thing: Katy Price
Jan 7th 2012, 9:01 am
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Asda - Sainsburys - Marks & Spencer
Jan 7th 2012, 9:19 am
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Jan 7th 2012, 9:29 am
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Middle class used to defined not just by money, but in the knowledge and planning of its use.
You had to have the right schooling, university, regiment, drive the right car, holiday in the right places, and have the right hobbies and sports.
A decent prep school, a minor public school, a red brick university that wasn't built in the 60's, Sandhurst short service commission, Lancers, Dragoons or Guards, a Rover, skiing in winter and France or Italy in the summer.
If you didn't know the unwritten code it was hard to be seen as middle class even if you had the money.
Those days, like Rover cars, are long gone.
You had to have the right schooling, university, regiment, drive the right car, holiday in the right places, and have the right hobbies and sports.
A decent prep school, a minor public school, a red brick university that wasn't built in the 60's, Sandhurst short service commission, Lancers, Dragoons or Guards, a Rover, skiing in winter and France or Italy in the summer.
If you didn't know the unwritten code it was hard to be seen as middle class even if you had the money.
Those days, like Rover cars, are long gone.
Jan 7th 2012, 1:38 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
I, too, grew up in an 'arty' family. Dad is a painter, Mum worked in the theatre. I remember people like Francis Bacon being around, and I was babysat by Judi Dench and Prunella Scales & Timothy West. My parents were very sophisticated and well-read... 'beatniks'.
However... we never had any money growing up. When I was very young, we lived in quite a run-down area of London. We had an outside loo and no bathroom or central heating, just coal fires and a tin bath in the kitchen.
I have always regarded myself as staunchly working class.
However... we never had any money growing up. When I was very young, we lived in quite a run-down area of London. We had an outside loo and no bathroom or central heating, just coal fires and a tin bath in the kitchen.
I have always regarded myself as staunchly working class.
Jan 7th 2012, 2:08 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
I, too, grew up in an 'arty' family. Dad is a painter, Mum worked in the theatre. I remember people like Francis Bacon being around, and I was babysat by Judi Dench and Prunella Scales & Timothy West. My parents were very sophisticated and well-read... 'beatniks'.
However... we never had any money growing up. When I was very young, we lived in quite a run-down area of London. We had an outside loo and no bathroom or central heating, just coal fires and a tin bath in the kitchen.
I have always regarded myself as staunchly working class.
However... we never had any money growing up. When I was very young, we lived in quite a run-down area of London. We had an outside loo and no bathroom or central heating, just coal fires and a tin bath in the kitchen.
I have always regarded myself as staunchly working class.
Jan 8th 2012, 8:23 am
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Can a premier league footballer on 100,000 quid a week, drives a Bentley and lives in Alderley Edge be considered working class? Also, the corporate boxes are packed with photocopier salesmen and city traders who I'd hesitate to label anything other than middle class.
Conversely, my local village cricket team in the UK was predominantly working class, a postman, HVAC fitter, and an electrician were our best players, while I guess you are talking the Union code of Rugby as League is almost 100% a working class sport.
Polo has always been for toffs, no argument with that, except for one thing: Katy Price
Conversely, my local village cricket team in the UK was predominantly working class, a postman, HVAC fitter, and an electrician were our best players, while I guess you are talking the Union code of Rugby as League is almost 100% a working class sport.
Polo has always been for toffs, no argument with that, except for one thing: Katy Price
No matter how much money they have there are few footballers that most of us would consider than anything other than working class. Of course, there is also a vast difference between class and being classy. And sometimes not
It was George Bernard Shaw in Pygmalian who said "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him." I'd venture to suggest that we mentally put people in classes due to the way they speak. Not necessarily due to regional accents, but the clarity of their speech. If you don't pronounce your consonants, use 'innit' and 'you know' in every sentence, I am likely to think you're a chav.
Jan 8th 2012, 1:36 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
And it'll be a sad day.
Obama has only been as ineffective as he has because for the first time ever, a President has had to put up with a Congress that has absolutely no intention of allowing the elected head of state to achieve anything he was elected to do.
The Republicans retaining Congress and/or winning the Presidency will be seen in the same light as those Emperors that oversaw the fall of the Roman Empire... and probably see the world descend into a global conflict for the sake of feeding its industrial-military complex.
Obama has only been as ineffective as he has because for the first time ever, a President has had to put up with a Congress that has absolutely no intention of allowing the elected head of state to achieve anything he was elected to do.
The Republicans retaining Congress and/or winning the Presidency will be seen in the same light as those Emperors that oversaw the fall of the Roman Empire... and probably see the world descend into a global conflict for the sake of feeding its industrial-military complex.
What was that about the downfall of Rome, I cannot see a comparison, Rome had no institutions to keep making money, changed it's religion to Christianity and was overrun repeatedly by hostile barbarians?
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Jan 8th 2012, 2:14 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Clarkson is an entertainer - paid to be the love-to-hate guy.
Socialists are a bunch of mass murderers who want everyone to be poor and equal...not sure if that means they all get Champagne or not though.
Cheers
Socialists are a bunch of mass murderers who want everyone to be poor and equal...not sure if that means they all get Champagne or not though.
Cheers
Jan 8th 2012, 5:56 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
Lose weight, get fit, save some money and move to Australia.
Jan 8th 2012, 10:42 pm
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Ah, affluenza!! Some may say it is the curse of the working class...(it's catching you know...)
Jan 8th 2012, 11:13 pm
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Re: The year ahead- 2012
He still managed to spend twice as much money as Bush did in eight years in just four years...he wants to downsize US military superiority and spend even more on healthcare.
What was that about the downfall of Rome, I cannot see a comparison, Rome had no institutions to keep making money, changed it's religion to Christianity and was overrun repeatedly by hostile barbarians?
N.
What was that about the downfall of Rome, I cannot see a comparison, Rome had no institutions to keep making money, changed it's religion to Christianity and was overrun repeatedly by hostile barbarians?
N.
Whilst we always seem to blame the banks for the 2008 GFC, Schweizers "Architects of ruin" blames Carter and Clinton, and a coalition of left-wing act liberal politicians and “do-good capitalists” for allowing snd encouraging Wall Street leveraged government power to achieve their goal of broadening homeownership among minorities and the poor.
President Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations — though opposed by the banking industry— signed into law the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). It guaranteed home loans to low-income families. In other words Peanut Carter forced these damn stupid sub prime loans on the banks in a quassia socialist experiment.....
As an inducement to get involved, the banks were allowed to cross trade the loans. In 2007, Ben Bernanke suggested further increasing the presence of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the affordable housing market to help banks fulfill their CRA obligations by providing them with more opportunities to securitize CRA-related loans.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsev...e20070306a.htm
The rest is history..... and yet we all blame the bankers.