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Why are white people expats when the rest of us are immigrants?

Old Mar 13th 2015, 6:00 pm
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Africans are immigrants. Arabs are immigrants. Asians are immigrants. However, Europeans are expats because they can’t be at the same level as other ethnicities. They are superior. Immigrants is a term set aside for ‘inferior races’.
Why are white people expats when the rest of us are immigrants? | Global Development Professionals Network | The Guardian
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I like the Guardian but sometimes they do come up with really daft articles.

In the UAE all colours and nationalities are called expats, from the highly paid Europeans/Australians/Americans down to the lowly paid South Asians and Filipinos. And of course the highly paid South Asians and non GCC Arabs are also expats. It has nothing to do with skin colours or religion or origins.

Expats are people who are temporarily residing in their host country and subject to the residency and work visa requirements of the said country. They do not attempt to become permanent citizens of the said country.

Immigrants are people who move to a new country with the intent of becoming permanent citizens of that country. Such as all those who moved to Australia or the United States.

I suppose the confusion behind the article stems from the large scale migration of EU workers into the UK. They really don't fit in the traditional definitions of expat or immigrant, given that they have rights to live and work in the UK as citizens of a EU nation, yet most of them say they don't intend to live in the UK permanently.
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"Gastarbeiter" Now there is a euphemism, coined in West Germany to show that the Federal Government was liberal and enlightened, so unlike the previous regime which also depended on foreign workers !
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Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH View Post
I like the Guardian but sometimes they do come up with really daft articles.

In the UAE all colours and nationalities are called expats, from the highly paid Europeans/Australians/Americans down to the lowly paid South Asians and Filipinos. And of course the highly paid South Asians and non GCC Arabs are also expats. It has nothing to do with skin colours or religion or origins.

Expats are people who are temporarily residing in their host country and subject to the residency and work visa requirements of the said country. They do not attempt to become permanent citizens of the said country.

Immigrants are people who move to a new country with the intent of becoming permanent citizens of that country. Such as all those who moved to Australia or the United States.

I suppose the confusion behind the article stems from the large scale migration of EU workers into the UK. They really don't fit in the traditional definitions of expat or immigrant, given that they have rights to live and work in the UK as citizens of a EU nation, yet most of them say they don't intend to live in the UK permanently.
Generally I agree - very well put! However. not everyone who moves the US or Australia has permanent intent though, many of them are just moving on temporary visas and return home afterwards. And equally some of us who have become citizens intend to return home eventually.....one day....
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Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
"Gastarbeiter" Now there is a euphemism, coined in West Germany to show that the Federal Government was liberal and enlightened, so unlike the previous regime which also depended on foreign workers !
And didn't West Germany have the same outlook as the Gulf States? When you have a job, you're welcome. No job, then fvck off!
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Originally Posted by DXBtoDOH View Post
I like the Guardian but sometimes they do come up with really daft articles.

In the UAE all colours and nationalities are called expats, from the highly paid Europeans/Australians/Americans down to the lowly paid South Asians and Filipinos. And of course the highly paid South Asians and non GCC Arabs are also expats. It has nothing to do with skin colours or religion or origins.

Expats are people who are temporarily residing in their host country and subject to the residency and work visa requirements of the said country. They do not attempt to become permanent citizens of the said country.

Immigrants are people who move to a new country with the intent of becoming permanent citizens of that country. Such as all those who moved to Australia or the United States.

I suppose the confusion behind the article stems from the large scale migration of EU workers into the UK. They really don't fit in the traditional definitions of expat or immigrant, given that they have rights to live and work in the UK as citizens of a EU nation, yet most of them say they don't intend to live in the UK permanently.
I've always heard Asian labourers being referred to as migrant workers. Expat seems to be a term reserved for those much higher up on the socioeconomic ladder.
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If you read the local papers pretty much everyone is referred to as an expat, including office boys, waiters in the cheap Indian restaurants, maids and all the way up to CEOs.

People do refer to labourers as labourers but that seems to be the only exception.

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I've always heard Asian laborers being referred to as migrant workers. Expat seems to be a term reserved for those much higher up on the socioeconomic ladder.
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I'm also amused at the photograph of the family. I don't know where it comes from but judging by the clothes it's some presumably British family in India during the empire. My great granddad was in the British civil service in India and my granddad spent part of his childhood there and they never called themselves expats. It's a post imperial terminology.

The photograph is a very loaded one. It conveniently ignores all the rich and middle class Indians waited on by their servants and implies only affluent white westerners had that lifestyle. And of course, in those days plenty of affluent British were waited upon by their white servants in Britain.
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I describe myself as an immigrant - I don't see a problem with that term.
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Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
"Gastarbeiter" Now there is a euphemism, coined in West Germany
I lived in North Germany for 6 years with the RAF. The local Turkish immigrant population were 'gastarbeiters' and often had unpopular slogans sprayed on the walls of their apartment blocks, one of the most popular was 'gastarbeiter raus!' They had many restrictions and had to have visas/permits etc. They would complain that the British were also gastarbeiter and why were they exempt all of that, hhhhmmm!
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Generally I agree - very well put! However. not everyone who moves the US or Australia has permanent intent though, many of them are just moving on temporary visas and return home afterwards. And equally some of us who have become citizens intend to return home eventually.....one day....
That and each country has a different view of immigrants.

It nailed it for the US.

There is definitely a under the carpet level of racism, even if unintentional about it.
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Probably because white people leave.
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Probably because white people leave.
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Millhouse ,you were there as occupiers ! The Turks were there as cleaners. I bet the Turks are still there.
The West Germans put lots of restrictions on the Gastarbeiter - but they still have a huge population who refuse to assimilate.
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