Where is everybody?
#46
Re: Where is everybody?
Calling the camp a village only makes Henrietta who worked on the 2012 Olympic Delivery team feel better about taking her grubby salary
#47
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Re: Where is everybody?
Its the contractor spending the money and client imposing and penalising . They even wanted us to change the name camp to village . How quaint and dainty . Fortunately for us we run some of the best facilities in the UAE but we know what the men really want which are the basics done very well and with consistency.
Calling the camp a village only makes Henrietta who worked on the 2012 Olympic Delivery team feel better about taking her grubby salary
Calling the camp a village only makes Henrietta who worked on the 2012 Olympic Delivery team feel better about taking her grubby salary
#48
Re: Where is everybody?
Its the contractor spending the money and client imposing and penalising . They even wanted us to change the name camp to village . How quaint and dainty . Fortunately for us we run some of the best facilities in the UAE but we know what the men really want which are the basics done very well and with consistency.
Calling the camp a village only makes Henrietta who worked on the 2012 Olympic Delivery team feel better about taking her grubby salary
Calling the camp a village only makes Henrietta who worked on the 2012 Olympic Delivery team feel better about taking her grubby salary
#50
Re: Where is everybody?
That's not cynicism that's the reality, and I worked in the ME for a company with welfare standards well above the norms or legal requirements.
#51
Re: Where is everybody?
I don't really have a kind of thinking about this - except if the client is willing to pay for a certain level of welfare (over and above the norm) it will be provided. The usual case is that a project is priced and won, then the client appoints some one to run the site who comes with all these new arbitrary standards and rules which they generate a huge drama/cost/paperwork enforcing for mostly bogus safety stats.
That's not cynicism that's the reality, and I worked in the ME for a company with welfare standards well above the norms or legal requirements.
That's not cynicism that's the reality, and I worked in the ME for a company with welfare standards well above the norms or legal requirements.
#52
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Re: Where is everybody?
I don't really have a kind of thinking about this - except if the client is willing to pay for a certain level of welfare (over and above the norm) it will be provided. The usual case is that a project is priced and won, then the client appoints some one to run the site who comes with all these new arbitrary standards and rules which they generate a huge drama/cost/paperwork enforcing for mostly bogus safety stats.
That's not cynicism that's the reality, and I worked in the ME for a company with welfare standards well above the norms or legal requirements.
That's not cynicism that's the reality, and I worked in the ME for a company with welfare standards well above the norms or legal requirements.
I think there's more value to welfare and safety than seeing it as drama/cost/paperwork though.
#53
Re: Where is everybody?
People need to always raise the bar with standards but this just mirrors other high spec projects iv been involved in over the years . It's no good us having a 'drop in library' in the village when the sub contractor cant pay his workforce on time.
#54
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Of course there is always . The issue on this project that it's over and above on whats required , doesn't have the specific desired effect as intended and usually the cost outweighs and measurable benefit to the workforce . If the clients wants to AC the corridors at their cost then i'm fine with that . If he doesnt want to pay and we move down the welfare league table im also fine with that .
People need to always raise the bar with standards but this just mirrors other high spec projects iv been involved in over the years . It's no good us having a 'drop in library' in the village when the sub contractor cant pay his workforce on time.
People need to always raise the bar with standards but this just mirrors other high spec projects iv been involved in over the years . It's no good us having a 'drop in library' in the village when the sub contractor cant pay his workforce on time.
#55
Re: Where is everybody?
Of course there is always . The issue on this project that it's over and above on whats required , doesn't have the specific desired effect as intended and usually the cost outweighs and measurable benefit to the workforce . If the clients wants to AC the corridors at their cost then i'm fine with that . If he doesnt want to pay and we move down the welfare league table im also fine with that .
People need to always raise the bar with standards but this just mirrors other high spec projects iv been involved in over the years . It's no good us having a 'drop in library' in the village when the sub contractor cant pay his workforce on time.
People need to always raise the bar with standards but this just mirrors other high spec projects iv been involved in over the years . It's no good us having a 'drop in library' in the village when the sub contractor cant pay his workforce on time.
#56
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Re: Where is everybody?
Genuinely fascinating insights but isn't worker's welfare all a bit too.... well, lefty?
#57
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Re: Where is everybody?
Yes and no to the above..... of our Contractors on site we have: average ones (for the region) whose welfare can be questionable and their H&S needs constant attention. These are the guys who benefit from strict regulations. Another of our Contractors really looks after their staff (nice digs, decent wages, AC'd equipment and transport, annual bonus' when they go home etc) and the workers love them for it (loyalty -they've all been with them for years, attitude etc) and the H&S standards are high. They are generally above and beyond everyone else. Strict (possibly pointless requirements just annoy them). What always happens though is that the Contractor who does put the added effort in get ridden harder than the average ones as the H&S w#nkers know that its an easy win as they will do everything thats asked where as the average ones will drag their heels and generally fail to impliment the changes required and so the H&S w#nkers end up overlooking things as they know its pointless asking for them. It's human nature.
#59
Re: Where is everybody?
Yes and no to the above..... of our Contractors on site we have: average ones (for the region) whose welfare can be questionable and their H&S needs constant attention. These are the guys who benefit from strict regulations. Another of our Contractors really looks after their staff (nice digs, decent wages, AC'd equipment and transport, annual bonus' when they go home etc) and the workers love them for it (loyalty -they've all been with them for years, attitude etc) and the H&S standards are high. They are generally above and beyond everyone else. Strict (possibly pointless requirements just annoy them). What always happens though is that the Contractor who does put the added effort in get ridden harder than the average ones as the H&S w#nkers know that its an easy win as they will do everything thats asked where as the average ones will drag their heels and generally fail to impliment the changes required and so the H&S w#nkers end up overlooking things as they know its pointless asking for them. It's human nature.