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Old Oct 26th 2010, 6:35 am
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Default What percentage of the human population is capable of perpetrating horrific crimes

History shows that civilisation is a very thin veneer, and when it breaks down terrible crimes are committed by "ordinary people". Nazi Germany, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Iraq etc.

Is it just a small percentage of the population who, once the moral restraints of society disappear, are capable of such brutality, or, given a certain set of circumstances, are we all capable of terrible acts against our fellow man?

With all the nutters in the world I reckon its around 75% of us.

(I ask this question after hearing on a radio show about an atrocious and utterly depressing crime committed in Iraq – a 6-year-old child was found with holes over his/her body. Investigators thought at first they were bullet holes. On further examination, they were found to be caused by a drill, ffs !)
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History shows that civilisation is a very thin veneer, and when it breaks down terrible crimes are committed by "ordinary people". Nazi Germany, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Iraq etc.

Is it just a small percentage of the population who, once the moral restraints of society disappear, are capable of such brutality, or, given a certain set of circumstances, are we all capable of terrible acts against our fellow man?

With all the nutters in the world I reckon its around 75% of us.

(I ask this question after hearing on a radio show about an atrocious and utterly depressing crime committed in Iraq – a 6-year-old child was found with holes over his/her body. Investigators thought at first they were bullet holes. On further examination, they were found to be caused by a drill, ffs !)
Whether we like it or not, I reckon we ALL are capable. The difference is the threshold we have to reach to act...
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Whether we like it or not, I reckon we ALL are capable. The difference is the threshold we have to reach to act...
I agree......buts it not only the threshold we would have to reach before acting.....I also wonder if there is a level of brutality within each of us, given a certain set of circumstances
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I agree......buts it not only the threshold we would have to reach before acting.....I also wonder if there is a level of brutality within each of us, given a certain set of circumstances
Again, Im pretty sure that, with differing thresholds, we are all capable of the same level of brutality...
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I could have easily killed a couple of thousand people in AquaVenture on Friday...
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Originally Posted by MataHari View Post
I could have easily killed a couple of thousand people in AquaVenture on Friday...
One at a time, or just by way of a mass explosion ?
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One at a time, or just by way of a mass explosion ?
oh, the worst ones I would have done one by one, and the masses in one go I guess...hadn't really thought about the practical side of things...spoils it a bit!
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oh, the worst ones I would have done one by one, and the masses in one go I guess...hadn't really thought about the practical side of things...spoils it a bit!
perhaps you could have got them to form an orderly queue....
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Sort of related to the OP question:-

The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by Psychology professor Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Twenty-four undergraduates were selected out of over 75 to play the prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. Roles were assigned randomly.

The participants adapted to their roles well beyond what even Zimbardo himself expected, leading the guards to display authoritarian measures and ultimately to subject some of the prisoners to torture. In turn, many of the prisoners developed passive attitudes and accepted physical abuse, and, at the request of the guards, readily inflected punishment on other prisoners who attempted to stop it.

The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his capacity as "Prison Superintendent," lost sight of his role as psychologist and permitted the abuse to continue as though it were a real prison. Five of the prisoners were upset enough by the process to quit the experiment early, and the entire experiment was abruptly stopped after only six days. The experimental process and the results remain controversial. The entire experiment was filmed, with excerpts soon made publicly available, leaving some disturbed by the resulting film. Over 30 years later, Zimbardo found renewed interest in the experiment when the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse scandal occurred.


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Another study along the lines of the original question...

Authority has a direct influence on the individual's decisions even ones that mean going way beyond their usual moral code.

If you want this in percentage "of people capable of perpetrating horrific crime" - the percentage of participants who are prepared to inflict fatal voltages remains remarkably constant, 61–66 percent, regardless of time or place. Interestingly the Dutch average is 92% while the UK is 50% - don't mess with Mata Hari....

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: "Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?" In other words, "Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?" Milgram's testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs.


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I think it's more like 99% of all humans.

All it takes is the right circumstances and we're back to barbarism.

It's in our blood to kill, murder, torture and hurt. Whilst few of us are sociopaths even nice people can do very bad things given the right circumstances (and most will find a reason for doing so - just look up what Al Capone said of his actions...totally warped view that he was doing people a favour!).

It's only by acknowledging our bestial natures that we can overcome them.

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I could have easily killed a couple of thousand people in AquaVenture on Friday...
you have cholera?
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Originally Posted by MataHari View Post
I could have easily killed a couple of thousand people in AquaVenture on Friday...
You didnt shoot this one did you ??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323496/Emperor-Exmoor-shot-dead-Giant-red-stag-gunned-legally-antlers.html

But thank God someone got to 'Paul the Octopus'......pah ! I bet he didnt predict that one, the ugly looking git !
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When my kid's hungry, I'll rip a double cheeeseburger out of any other infant's grasp.

It doesn't take much...
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We are all capable of commiting horrific crimes, if it was doomsday and we where all fighting for survival how many people would stop to help others, it would come down to survival of the fittest, however we live in civilized times- relatively speaking. In regards to mass genocide etc, most people are conformers, if told to do something they will even though they know it is wrong. How many people are prepared to be the one that stands up and says this is wrong? very few.

Abusing a child is always horrific but generally comes down to power, most crimes against children are by the undereducated, frustrated individuals that have little control over their lives so to feel more powerful they abuse those who are weaker- namely kids. Most child abuse is by immediate family members who perhaps blame the kids for ruining their lives. Its the worst form of bullying. Its the same as most sex crimes- male rape, female rape, generally its not that someone is so horny they cant control themselves its a power thing.

True psychopaths are mentally ill which puts them in a minority, so what we are capable of is different to what we do, that is what makes us civilized. However most peopel will suffer from mental illness in their lifetime, whether it be in teh form of depression, nervous breakdowns or fullon psychosis.
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