Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
Sep 25th 2013, 1:56 pm
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Barnsley ?
Sep 25th 2013, 10:36 pm
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It's a bit more than a religion. It's cultural imperialism to one degree or another.
If I convert to Christianity I don't have to change my diet, name or learn another language to truly understand the message of Christ.
Judaism would require that but it's a tribal belief not a religion that claims universal messages for mankind. No need to convert to be 'righteous'.
Anyway Odin promised to rid the world of Frost Giants...and there are no Frost Giants today I can assume Odin's message is true.
What's nice about Odin is that he would probably laugh if he read that...I'd probably get some grief in Valhalla though.
N.
If I convert to Christianity I don't have to change my diet, name or learn another language to truly understand the message of Christ.
Judaism would require that but it's a tribal belief not a religion that claims universal messages for mankind. No need to convert to be 'righteous'.
Anyway Odin promised to rid the world of Frost Giants...and there are no Frost Giants today I can assume Odin's message is true.
What's nice about Odin is that he would probably laugh if he read that...I'd probably get some grief in Valhalla though.N.
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
Sep 26th 2013, 1:45 am
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Re: Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
Although it is true that Quran allows the Muslim man to marry from the people of the book, i.e. the Christians and the Jews, there are, however, a couple of conditions that must be met. First, the children shall be brought up as Muslims, and second, the woman should be, as the word used in the Quran ‘Muhsana’, i.e. a woman who did not indulge in forbidden relationships before. That implies that only religious Christian and Jewish women Muslim men are allowed to wed.
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
Sep 26th 2013, 5:19 am
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Re: Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
Although it is true that Quran allows the Muslim man to marry from the people of the book, i.e. the Christians and the Jews, there are, however, a couple of conditions that must be met. First, the children shall be brought up as Muslims, and second, the woman should be, as the word used in the Quran ‘Muhsana’, i.e. a woman who did not indulge in forbidden relationships before. That implies that only religious Christian and Jewish women Muslim men are allowed to wed.
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
Interestingly Christians are not supposed to marry non-Christians according to their bible. A professing Christian woman would never marry a Muslim so I wonder how 'Christian' these women are in the first place. I imagine it's the same for Jews - aren't the children of Jewish women also Jews? How can they be Muslims and Jews?
Personally I think Abrahamic religions are tiresome and derivative. Any systems than mandate punishment for insulting it, even academically are evidently insecure and violent.
N.
Sep 26th 2013, 8:02 am
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Re: Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...oning-him.html
Sep 26th 2013, 8:05 am
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Re: Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
Although it is true that Quran allows the Muslim man to marry from the people of the book, i.e. the Christians and the Jews, there are, however, a couple of conditions that must be met. First, the children shall be brought up as Muslims, and second, the woman should be, as the word used in the Quran ‘Muhsana’, i.e. a woman who did not indulge in forbidden relationships before. That implies that only religious Christian and Jewish women Muslim men are allowed to wed.
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
As for the reason why only Muslim men are allowed to marry non Muslim women, you got to understand how Islam views the role of a father in a family. In Islam a father is not only the bread winner of the family who should look after the physical well being of the children, but he is also the person who must teach the children about the faith of Islam so that they will be successful after they serve their term in this world. In the eyes of this religion the life after is far more important than life on earth. All the teachings and mystique of this religion is geared towards serving that particular end, the life after. That is why to this religion every human being must be taught this awareness from an early stage by the father. A non Muslim father has nothing to offer in this respect
Sep 27th 2013, 9:08 am
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I've just been reading a couple of articles on this attack and now wish I hadn't, It's absolutely heart breaking and I have absolutely zero understanding of what would drive people to do such abominable crimes. The poor people who were tortured and watched the others being tortured and killed around them, it truly is horrific. My deepest sympathies go out to the families.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
Sep 27th 2013, 9:22 am
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I've just been reading a couple of articles on this attack and now wish I hadn't, It's absolutely heart breaking and I have absolutely zero understanding of what would drive people to do such abominable crimes. The poor people who were tortured and watched the others being tortured and killed around them, it truly is horrific. My deepest sympathies go out to the families.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
I'm still waiting for the Muslim Leaders to condemn unequivocally this attack.
I wonder how long I'll have to wait.
Sep 27th 2013, 10:37 am
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Re: Westlands Nairobi, terrorist shooting
I've just been reading a couple of articles on this attack and now wish I hadn't, It's absolutely heart breaking and I have absolutely zero understanding of what would drive people to do such abominable crimes. The poor people who were tortured and watched the others being tortured and killed around them, it truly is horrific. My deepest sympathies go out to the families.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
How can anyone say this is in name of any religion? It really is so messed up, people in their everyday lives being slaughtered in the name of religion. What scares me more is how this can ever end?
Such sad times.
Sep 27th 2013, 12:59 pm
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Typical, not been on here much this week as been mega busy, but my thoughts are with you, this is so terrible.