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shiva Apr 5th 2011 7:18 am

Western Imperialism to Blame or....
 


been reading a lot of niall ferguson lately, gotta say a couple of things

1)he's a dead man walking, nobody nowadays can be this close to the truth and not be a target
2)he's spot on most of the time, his series on the ascent of money and book was superb and his new stuff on civilization and the west is cracking but it is going to earn him a fatwah.

worth loking out for his stuff for a read/watch if you have time

shiva Apr 5th 2011 7:21 am

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full episode, thx youtube

Meow Apr 5th 2011 7:48 am

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Add in the fact that he is dating/living with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and he has to be a target. She's had a fatwa on her for years.

shiva Apr 5th 2011 7:54 am

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 9286219)
Add in the fact that he is dating/living with Ayaan Hirsi Ali and he has to be a target. She's had a fatwa on her for years.

agreed, shes one very brave/stupid woman.

Meow Apr 5th 2011 8:06 am

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Originally Posted by shiva (Post 9286228)
agreed, shes one very brave/stupid woman.

Quite. I can never decide which it is.

The Dean Apr 5th 2011 5:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 9286245)
Quite. I can never decide which it is.

Brave.

Like Ferguson.

Norm_uk Apr 5th 2011 6:42 pm

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He's interesting but not saying anything new to me...we can expect the usual accusations of Islamaphobia, racism and whatever else they are calling the uncomfortable truth these days.

N.

Alexa Apr 5th 2011 8:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Norm_uk (Post 9287319)
He's interesting but not saying anything new to me...we can expect the usual accusations of Islamaphobia, racism and whatever else they are calling the uncomfortable truth these days.

N.

I don't quite understand why they are doing it...in the end, they are the losers.Why don't they WANT things to get better? All very odd...have given up trying to figure it out. Can't be arsed anymore.

shiva Apr 6th 2011 5:47 am

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@dean, been thinking and i agree, it is bravery. a stupid, bold non self preservational bravery.

@norm agreed on most of it there are details i dont know which is always nice and its also very nice to see a high profile figure saying these things who isnt a member of some fanatical right wing protest group but a respected scholar

Norm_uk Apr 6th 2011 7:08 am

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Originally Posted by shiva (Post 9288323)
@dean, been thinking and i agree, it is bravery. a stupid, bold non self preservational bravery.

@norm agreed on most of it there are details i dont know which is always nice and its also very nice to see a high profile figure saying these things who isnt a member of some fanatical right wing protest group but a respected scholar

This is actually the problem with most western countries today - the middle classes are silent. Anything that threatens to rock the boat is brushed under the carpet and their heads are put back in the sand even as their cities burn around them (Paris riots, no-go areas, Malmo in Sweden, recent riots in Lampedusa, etc etc). What's worse is how they will even shoot down their own for speaking out - even if they speak in an academic and/or reasonable context.

So the working classes, seeing no one taking up their legitimate concerns form groups like the EDL, which no matter how well meaning become magnets for extremists and hooligans. And parties like the BNP can lap up support while all this is going on because no one has the balls in the West to differentiate national/culture pride and preservation with actual racism and bigotry.

Couple this with the false doctrine of cultural relativity we are taught from birth these days and it's a recipe for trouble.

N.

Bahtatboy Apr 6th 2011 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by Norm_uk (Post 9288439)
Anything that threatens to rock the boat is brushed under the carpet and their heads are put back in the sand...

Have you been on the metaphor juice, Norm?

Norm_uk Apr 7th 2011 6:37 am

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 9288449)
Have you been on the metaphor juice, Norm?

It was a deliberate choice of words...the only juice I've been on is fermented however ;)

N.

Charismatic Apr 7th 2011 8:50 am

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Good videos Shiva.

Using religion to clutch power can only be a short term strategy. As long as the middle east continues to dabble in real advancement (both political and scientific/technology) rather than actually dealing with these problems the oil clock is ticking down.

The great thing about human ingenuity is that it's the well that never runs dry.

littlejimmy Apr 7th 2011 11:14 am

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Interesting stuff. I wonder what people think about the future they talked about. If the West is indeed in sharp decline, who is going to fill the void? Also begs the question, who would we prefer to fill it?

Norm_uk Apr 7th 2011 1:40 pm

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 9291334)
Interesting stuff. I wonder what people think about the future they talked about. If the West is indeed in sharp decline, who is going to fill the void? Also begs the question, who would we prefer to fill it?

I'd rather see it's decline than it filled with the sheer ignorance I've seen around the world in my travels...China, Japan & Korea excluded I just don't think there are any comparable civillisations in the world - then again I'm not a cultural relativist or a multi-culturalist so I'm going to say that :)

N.


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