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littlejimmy Mar 31st 2010 9:55 pm

Vote Labour...or else...
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/g...ture=361041591

The Dean Apr 1st 2010 12:54 am

Re: Vote Labour...or else...
 

Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8465113)

They wouldn't have printed that yesterday...............

.......... or tomorrow...........

Blue Cat Apr 1st 2010 2:31 am

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just came across this, have to say it made me laugh :)

littlejimmy Apr 1st 2010 2:32 am

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Originally Posted by Blue Cat (Post 8465658)
just came across this, have to say it made me laugh :)

These ones aren't real, BC! ;)

Blue Cat Apr 1st 2010 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8465660)
These ones aren't real, BC! ;)

never, if they were they would have hit the mark :p

Ethos83 Apr 1st 2010 4:05 am

Re: Vote Labour...or else...
 
April fools or not, it's not even funny. I am terrified that Labour will win. If they do I'm never returning to the UK. Ever.

Stupid, stupid, stupid! English public.

littlejimmy Apr 1st 2010 4:19 am

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Originally Posted by Ethos83 (Post 8465855)
April fools or not, it's not even funny. I am terrified that Labour will win. If they do I'm never returning to the UK. Ever.

Stupid, stupid, stupid! English public.

The best result would be a hung parliament.

HANG THE LOT OF THEM!

Puerto Plata Apr 1st 2010 9:11 am

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Originally Posted by Ethos83 (Post 8465855)
April fools or not, it's not even funny. I am terrified that Labour will win. If they do I'm never returning to the UK. Ever.

Stupid, stupid, stupid! English public.


Don't ever fear your countrymen having a little more money in their pockets. Whatever extra workers get they spend in country and it just goes round and round.

Stupid, stupid, stupid fear!

The Dean Apr 1st 2010 4:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Puerto Plata (Post 8466543)
Don't ever fear your countrymen having a little more money in their pockets. Whatever extra workers get they spend in country and it just goes round and round.

Stupid, stupid, stupid fear!

What does that mean? I'm not with you............. :confused:

Spugsy Apr 1st 2010 8:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Ethos83 (Post 8465855)
April fools or not, it's not even funny. I am terrified that Labour will win. If they do I'm never returning to the UK. Ever.

Stupid, stupid, stupid! English public.

you think UK would be better off with the tories then do you?

The Dean Apr 1st 2010 8:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Spugsy (Post 8467345)
you think UK would be better off with the tories then do you?

Yes - not much better, admittedly (because they will still refuse to confront the EU question), but please don't defend the last 13 years - even the staunchest Labour supporters I know are ashamed.

Hung parliament? I doubt it.............

Puerto Plata Apr 2nd 2010 10:44 am

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8467084)
What does that mean? I'm not with you............. :confused:


As much as i'd like to, i'm not going to be able to give you a university education in just one message here.

The Dean Apr 2nd 2010 6:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Puerto Plata (Post 8468711)
As much as i'd like to, i'm not going to be able to give you a university education in just one message here.

What you mean is - you wrote some meaningless garbage, and now that you've finally realised it, you're not sure where to go from here.

Fearing people with money in their pockets? Yes - I'm terrified............. :huh:

Ethos83 Apr 3rd 2010 6:28 am

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Let me ask you a few questions, dude.

1. How is the UK better off now than it was 13 years ago?

2. Name Labour's top three accomplishments...

Go!


Originally Posted by Spugsy (Post 8467345)
you think UK would be better off with the tories then do you?


hnd Apr 3rd 2010 6:55 am

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Perhaps more to the point if it's going to be 'better', as all parties promise, in the UK after whichever party wins the next election will many expats return?

A straw poll amongst friends here in Dubai today at lunch gave a resounding "NO" answer. They're lucky enough still to have jobs but, if they were laid off, would look to find jobs and move anywhere else but back to the UK.

How very sad ...

kittycat1 Apr 3rd 2010 7:05 am

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Am i the only british expat that actually likes the UK?

hnd Apr 3rd 2010 7:33 am

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Perhaps you are one of the few ...

... as said previously, how very sad

CeeBee Apr 3rd 2010 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 8470095)
Am i the only british expat that actually likes the UK?

Probably. I like my home city though. It's the greatest city in the world because it's 'home'. But the UK in general? Its an awful place with zero prospects for young people like me.

The way I see it going the UK will be a nation of 'coasters' in the coming years, by which I mean nobody will have any aspiration to be a great achiever in their industry because you are punished so heavily. You earn a high salary, you pay higher taxes. You buy a more expensive house, you pay more stamp duty. You want to buy yourself a nice car, you have your bank account raped and all the eco-nazis start having a whine.

I am one of the people that want to do very very well for myself. That can't and will not happen in the UK.

We used to be a great, proud nation. Now look.

The Dean Apr 3rd 2010 3:34 pm

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Originally Posted by CeeBee (Post 8470146)
Probably. I like my home city though. It's the greatest city in the world because it's 'home'. But the UK in general? Its an awful place with zero prospects for young people like me.

The way I see it going the UK will be a nation of 'coasters' in the coming years, by which I mean nobody will have any aspiration to be a great achiever in their industry because you are punished so heavily. You earn a high salary, you pay higher taxes. You buy a more expensive house, you pay more stamp duty. You want to buy yourself a nice car, you have your bank account raped and all the eco-nazis start having a whine.

I am one of the people that want to do very very well for myself. That can't and will not happen in the UK.

We used to be a great, proud nation. Now look.

Post Of The Month. And it's only the 4th........... :thumbup:

littlejimmy Apr 3rd 2010 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by CeeBee (Post 8470146)
Probably. I like my home city though. It's the greatest city in the world because it's 'home'. But the UK in general? Its an awful place with zero prospects for young people like me.

The way I see it going the UK will be a nation of 'coasters' in the coming years, by which I mean nobody will have any aspiration to be a great achiever in their industry because you are punished so heavily. You earn a high salary, you pay higher taxes. You buy a more expensive house, you pay more stamp duty. You want to buy yourself a nice car, you have your bank account raped and all the eco-nazis start having a whine.

I am one of the people that want to do very very well for myself. That can't and will not happen in the UK.

We used to be a great, proud nation. Now look.

You need to get rich enough to afford good lawyers and accountants so you can rake in the millions whilst avoiding taxes. Unfortunately for most "normal" people, this is impossible.

The argument about which of the two parties will be best is a specious one anyway. You could fit a rizzla paper between them. They are both bought and owned by big business and their policies reflect this. The rest of the populace is kept happy with a diet of junk food, junk TV and celebrity gossip. Apathy is encouraged.

Still, I love the UK because it's home and its where the people I love are. It also has beer, great countryside and fish and chips.

Puerto Plata Apr 5th 2010 4:45 am

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8469119)
What you mean is - you wrote some meaningless garbage, and now that you've finally realised it, you're not sure where to go from here.


Ah....Perhaps......Lucky guess there Dean

typical Apr 5th 2010 5:14 am

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*shrug* I like the UK, and I'd vote Labour again (but maybe not this election).

Never say never, but the Tories continue to do anything they can to ensure I'll never vote for them.

I consider the minimum wage, the increases in funding to the NHS, and the creation of civil partnerships real accomplishments that I doubt would have been seen under the Tories.

On the other hand Labour have got ridiculously centralist and don't seem to understand "civil liberties", they're finishing the wrecking of the education system that the Tories started (and seem determined to continue), and they seem to have forgotten the point of being in government - to get solidly progressive policies in place.

Anyone who says there is no difference between the two parties needs to look at their MEPs. That said, there's a lot of dancing around the "middle ground" these days.

It'd be nice if people started electing politicians for who told the truth better, and not who was better at lying, but oh well...

The Dean Apr 5th 2010 4:44 pm

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Originally Posted by typical (Post 8473908)
*shrug* I like the UK, and I'd vote Labour again (but maybe not this election).

Never say never, but the Tories continue to do anything they can to ensure I'll never vote for them.

I consider the minimum wage, the increases in funding to the NHS, and the creation of civil partnerships real accomplishments that I doubt would have been seen under the Tories.

On the other hand Labour have got ridiculously centralist and don't seem to understand "civil liberties", they're finishing the wrecking of the education system that the Tories started (and seem determined to continue), and they seem to have forgotten the point of being in government - to get solidly progressive policies in place.

Anyone who says there is no difference between the two parties needs to look at their MEPs. That said, there's a lot of dancing around the "middle ground" these days.

It'd be nice if people started electing politicians for who told the truth better, and not who was better at lying, but oh well...

the point of being in government - to get solidly progressive policies in place.

Interesting - who dreamed that one up? What about a government that actually introduces policies the people want, instead of trying to impose their own agenda on the people? Forlorn hope I suppose........

And BTW - all that extra money for the NHS - why hasn't it got any better? [First rule of life - if you throw more money at something that is bad, it will get worse - more money simply encourages more of the same].

typical Apr 5th 2010 6:21 pm

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8475067)
the point of being in government - to get solidly progressive policies in place.

Interesting - who dreamed that one up? What about a government that actually introduces policies the people want, instead of trying to impose their own agenda on the people? Forlorn hope I suppose........

Sorry - I mean "the point for Labour of being in government". I would have hoped that's what people who voted for them were voting for. It's certainly what the Labour party used to stand for...

I wouldn't want to live in a country where a government was purely populist. I have a probably over-naive feeling that representative democracy should involve electing people who are prepared to learn more about an issue than the public at large, and make intelligent policy appropriately... (indeed, the select committees are pretty awesome at this, it's a shame they don't have more power to hold ministers to account).


Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8475067)
And BTW - all that extra money for the NHS - why hasn't it got any better? [First rule of life - if you throw more money at something that is bad, it will get worse - more money simply encourages more of the same].

I don't think that's always true - if you try to run something on a shoestring, it'll invariably suffer. The NHS was getting bad precisely because it was underfunded. Given the pittance we still spend on it, it's actually amazingly good.

I don't think it's fair to say the NHS hasn't got better, either - although much of the money has gone to making it feel like a better place to work than it was. Which is not a bad thing for the sustainability of the NHS.

They really need to sort out cancer care quickly, though.

littlejimmy Apr 5th 2010 6:49 pm

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8475067)
the point of being in government - to get solidly progressive policies in place.

Interesting - who dreamed that one up? What about a government that actually introduces policies the people want, instead of trying to impose their own agenda on the people? Forlorn hope I suppose........

And BTW - all that extra money for the NHS - why hasn't it got any better? [First rule of life - if you throw more money at something that is bad, it will get worse - more money simply encourages more of the same].

When did you last use the NHS, out of interest?

The Dean Apr 5th 2010 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 8475220)
When did you last use the NHS, out of interest?

Last year............ my daughter had open heart surgery at one of London's most famous heart hospitals.

The place was a shining example of how a good hospital should be run. I think when it comes to something so specialised, the NHS is still the envy of the world in many ways.

Why do you ask?

Brains1983 Apr 5th 2010 11:56 pm

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I've no problem with the UK, just don't want to live there. As some other posters have said, it's "home", and where some of the people I love are. but the weathers shit.

I don't understand that much about the politics and don't offer any opinion on it, however it amuses me that people complain about how "bad the NHS "is or "is getting worse". I've never had a problem with it, had a couple of non-serious operations over the years, along with bits and bobs of physio and the like. I also don't know anyone else that has had a serious problem with it, they've nursed several of my family back to good health, and offered care and support to those with terminal illnesses.

I don't think there is a country in the world with a state health service that wouldn't want to swap theirs for ours. It works very very well, albeit now and again there is a cock-up. Government has to take a business like approach to run an organisation that size, and of course there will be cock-ups, much like there are in any business.

If you don't like it, go private or **** off.

Anyhoo, that's my two cents worth.

littlejimmy Apr 6th 2010 12:10 am

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Originally Posted by The Dean (Post 8475534)
Last year............ my daughter had open heart surgery at one of London's most famous heart hospitals.

The place was a shining example of how a good hospital should be run. I think when it comes to something so specialised, the NHS is still the envy of the world in many ways.

Why do you ask?

I was just wondering on what what you based you assertion that there had been no improvement in the NHS.

Personally, I've had a lot of experience using it and have had very few problems.


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