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Old Aug 30th 2012, 9:44 am
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It always amuses me that many Americans use the word 'liberal' as an insult. To much of the rest of the world it means being reasonable, open-minded and tolerant.
I wasn't trying to be insulting, just pointing out largely different viewpoints
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Old Aug 30th 2012, 9:46 am
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I wasn't trying to be insulting, just pointing out largely different viewpoints
Maybe you weren't, but many do.
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Old Aug 30th 2012, 9:54 am
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It always amuses me that many Americans use the word 'liberal' as an insult. To much of the rest of the world it means being reasonable, open-minded and tolerant.
Is your view of 'conservative' un reasonable, close minded and intolerant?
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Old Aug 30th 2012, 9:58 am
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Is your view of 'conservative' un reasonable, close minded and intolerant?
Now you are doing that annoying thing of suggesting that just because I say I hate black, I must love white. Tsk, lazy thinking!


To me 'conservative' in a political sense, is a more old-fashioned viewpoint, preferring the status quo and less open to change and progress.



EDIT> This appears to be a reasonable explanation http://www.arationaladvocate.com/are...servative.html

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Old Aug 30th 2012, 10:01 am
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Now you are doing that annoying thing of suggesting that just because I say I hate black, I must love white. Tsk, lazy thinking!


To me 'conservative' in a political sense, is a more old-fashioned viewpoint, preferring the status quo and less open to change and progress.
We are close on perceptions. Conservative is slow incremental change. Liberals always win in the end. Just not as quickly as they would like.
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Percentage of US outlays for defense in 1960 (pre Vietnam) 40%. Now 20% and dropping. Ayn Rand? Jeez I read a Playboy article once... doesn't make me a disciple of Hugh Hefner.
That is such a distortion of what I said. It isn't because he read Rand, rather he voiced sentiments in approval of Rand's ideology.

" EARLY in his Congressional career, Paul D. Ryan, the Wisconsin representative and presumptive Republican vice-presidential nominee, would give out copies of Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged” as Christmas presents. He described the novelist of heroic capitalism as “the reason I got into public service.” But what would Rand think of Mr. Ryan? "

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That is such a distortion of what I said. It isn't because he read Rand, rather he voiced sentiments in approval of Rand's ideology.

" EARLY in his Congressional career, Paul D. Ryan, the Wisconsin representative and presumptive Republican vice-presidential nominee, would give out copies of Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged” as Christmas presents. He described the novelist of heroic capitalism as “the reason I got into public service.” But what would Rand think of Mr. Ryan? "

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/op...paul-ryan.html
I don't believe Ayn Rand would even recognize US politics and budgets of today. I may extrapolate that annual $1,000,000,000,000plus deficits would cause an immediate coronary.
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I reckon the USA should look more like Europe.

It's too big to be governed by one of two parties and one of two individuals / view points.

It's impossible to appeal to the extreme one way AND extreme otherway.

How can you form national policies that make California, Colorado, Alabama and Florida all happy?
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I reckon the USA should look more like Europe.

It's too big to be governed by one of two parties and one of two individuals / view points.

It's impossible to appeal to the extreme one way AND extreme otherway.

How can you form national policies that make California, Colorado, Alabama and Florida all happy?
I agree on lines 2 3 and 4. Line one needs to be decided in a US way since we do not use a Parliamentary system
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Old Aug 30th 2012, 10:42 am
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I agree on lines 2 3 and 4. Line one needs to be decided in a US way since we do not use a Parliamentary system
If we'd had our way, we'd have been making those tough decisions for you.

Such is.
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I don't believe Ayn Rand would even recognize US politics and budgets of today. I may extrapolate that annual $1,000,000,000,000plus deficits would cause an immediate coronary.
Didn't Rand end up relying on state handouts?
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I'm way out of my depth - I'd never heard of Ayn Rand until I started reading this thread............. is Ayn a man or a woman?

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I'm way out of my depth - I'd never heard of Ayn Rand until I started reading this thread............. is Ayn a man or a woman?

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A woman. Author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.


littlejummy - I thought she ended up being supported by wealthy friends.
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I'm way out of my depth - I'd never heard of Ayn Rand until I started reading this thread............. is Ayn a man or a woman?

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Technically a woman but looks manly.
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A woman. Author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.


littlejummy - I thought she ended up being supported by wealthy friends.
I don't know, to be honest, just going on what someone said in a newspaper comment section.
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