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Old Aug 29th 2012, 10:42 am
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It will be interesting if the GOP get their way and insist that all voters must have photo ID
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It will be interesting if the GOP get their way and insist that all voters must have photo ID
Which will be to the benefit of Republicans...
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Old Aug 29th 2012, 10:48 am
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But, in the eyes of much of the US voting public, being of any religion, no matter how absurd (with the possible exception of being Muslim), is better than being an atheist.

Guy who believes in Kolob and reading gold plates with a special hat on - no problem. Guy who doesn't believe in any mythical deity - damn him to hell!

Land of the free?* Land of the brain-washed, more like.


*I am bemused by American claims to be the land of the free and their general witterings about freedom, when it seems to me that have no more freedoms than any other Westernised country.
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when it seems to me that have no more freedoms than any other Westernised country.
Their all allowed guns though remember. Being allowed to own a firearm that's the gauge of true freedom.

Seriously though I agree, and would suggest that the UK, much of western Europe and Scandinavia is in many ways (socially, culturally, democratically...) more 'free' than the US.
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Their all allowed guns though remember. Being allowed to own a firearm that's the gauge of true freedom.

Seriously though I agree, and would suggest that the UK, much of western Europe and Scandinavia is in many ways (socially, culturally, democratically...) more 'free' than the US.

Ah yes, that important freedom to shoot other people. Very civilised.
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Land of the free?* Land of the brain-washed, more like.


*I am bemused by American claims to be the land of the free and their general witterings about freedom, when it seems to me that have no more freedoms than any other Westernised country.
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Ah yes, that important freedom to shoot other people. Very civilised.
There's a great scene in the Simpsons where they are signing the declaration with a clause that "everyone has the right to bear's arms"

"Nobody will misunderstand that will they?"
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Many of you are treating the US as though it were one homogenous country. It is a federation of states each of which have a considerable degree of autonomy and municipalities within those states which also have tax-raising discretion. Big cities in the US are run by people who would be very at home in any mainstream European social democratic party. Things like voter ID and gun laws are all enacted at a local level hence the extreme-looking rules that we see which usually have fairly limited areas of application. Even the most backward retrogressive taliban southern states (I'm looking at you Alabama, Mississipi and Oklahoma) have metropolitan areas which are significantly more mainstream politically (from a European perspective).

The biggest issue with the outcome of US elections is that poorer and younger people and ethnic minorities are far less likely to actually vote than other groups, moreso than in other countries. Opinion poll samples are engineered to reflect this so the sample will contain a certain percentage of people from different age groups, ethnicities and party affiliation designed to reflect the likely actual voter profile rather than the electorate at large. Thus polls and election results don't necessarily reflect the true sentiment of the majority of people. Now that the election is nearer, most of the major pollsters will apply what they call a "likely voter" screen - up to now they would have used "Registered voter" - which tends to favour the Republicans. They ascertain this simply by asking people how likely they are to vote. In the recent major CNN poll, for example, Obama had a 9% lead among RVs but only 2% among LVs.

Anyway, by far the best site following the ups and downs of the US election using proper statistical analysis and correcting for every conceivable relevant factor is fivethirtyeight.com on the NYT site (name comes from the number of electors in the electoral college). The site author has made some interesting postings in the past about the significance of Romney's Mormonism.
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There's been a bit about it here, but the problem is, as soon as someone says something about it, they get portrayed as being anti-religious and that's worse than being a none white Christian :/
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The end piece to the last episode loops back to this very nicely too.
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Old Aug 29th 2012, 2:20 pm
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The end piece to the last episode loops back to this very nicely too.
agreed, gotta say sorkin is doing another nice job on pointing out just how ****ed up the american media and political systems have become.
america now has less freedom that most democracies around the world and its being eroded daily under a compliant and complicit media. scary shit frankly
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agreed, gotta say sorkin is doing another nice job on pointing out just how ****ed up the american media and political systems have become.
america now has less freedom that most democracies around the world and its being eroded daily under a compliant and complicit media. scary shit frankly
And all in the vein of avoiding being a communist or a socialist...irony being, they're slipping into that mantra, just without any of the actual benefits, such as healthcare etc :/
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agreed, gotta say sorkin is doing another nice job on pointing out just how ****ed up the american media and political systems have become.
america now has less freedom that most democracies around the world and its being eroded daily under a compliant and complicit media. scary shit frankly
Everyone should watch The Newsroom. Really well done and informative too.
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A solid piece on the current state of the Republican party...

"The Republican Party has set out at its 2012 convention in search of the Event Horizon of utter bullshit. It has sought to see precisely how many lies, evasions, elisions, and undigestible chunks of utter gobbledegook the political media can swallow before it finally gags twice and falls over dead, leaving the rest of America suckers all the same."

"It was an entire evening based on a demonstrable lie. It was an entire evening based on demonstrable lies told in service to the overriding demonstrable lie. And there was only one real story for actual journalists to tell at the end of it.

The Republicans simply don't care."


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...t-one-12158408
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A solid piece on the current state of the Republican party...

"The Republican Party has set out at its 2012 convention in search of the Event Horizon of utter bullshit. It has sought to see precisely how many lies, evasions, elisions, and undigestible chunks of utter gobbledegook the political media can swallow before it finally gags twice and falls over dead, leaving the rest of America suckers all the same."

"It was an entire evening based on a demonstrable lie. It was an entire evening based on demonstrable lies told in service to the overriding demonstrable lie. And there was only one real story for actual journalists to tell at the end of it.

The Republicans simply don't care."


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...t-one-12158408
I could write exactly the same stuff about the Democrats.

The only way Obama should be able to win an election, with his appalling track record (What has he actually achieved? And don't mention the Medicare jobby - it will be decades before anyone knows whether that will be an achievement or not, or even if it ever comes to fruition) is if his opponent is even weaker....... er..... oh, right........

The trouble with the Republicans is that, in a misguided attempt to create more widespread appeal, they have tried to be a little bit of something-for-everyone. That never works (ask Hague/Howard/Duncan-Smith).

It's too late this time, but the excellent Paul Ryan would have made a superb candidate - now he will almost certainly will be tainted and saddled with failure and forever associated with Romney. Shame.
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