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Old Apr 3rd 2013, 8:24 am
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Unbelievable from you.

Scamp; the privately educated, well-heeled, gentleman of country pursuits?
Sorry. Keep forgetting those facts. Must be coz I've met you...
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Old Apr 3rd 2013, 8:46 am
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Elite apparently.

Class used to be defined by your social circle and or family, for example some of the aristocracy are poor as church mice but would still be classed as upper class. Now this seems to be entirely weighted on how much you earn. With social Standing and cultural activities being largely secondary. So now a middle class person with a wide range of cultural interests and friends who no longer has an income or savings / house moves down through the classes.

I would be interested to know what the movements within these classifications have been if we apply them historically. i.e. how many middle class people have become precariats since the economy went to shizzle, and more noteably how many people have become upwardly mobile? I think that might be quite telling.
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There is a much longer survey if anyone can be bothered to take it.

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/labuk/experiments/class/
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Old Apr 3rd 2013, 9:01 am
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Elite too, its bollocks. I ticked rented house, less that 10k savings and I even know a lorry driver...........(though I wouldn't socialise with the peasant)
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Default Re: UK 'now has seven social classes'

Originally Posted by Meow View Post
I'm 'Elite' as well, but considering you lot are all in there too, it's a bit of a misnomer...

I'd also like to point out that if I am 'privileged' as the survey suggests, it largely because I've worked damn hard and earned it.
I agree

Im not going to even open the link because i know im working class and im damn proud of it.
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Old Apr 3rd 2013, 9:59 am
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I agree

Im not going to even open the link because i know im working class and im damn proud of it.
Interesting comment...I'm sure if I made the comment that I was middle/upper class and proud, the comments would be quite derogatory.

I've nothing against any 'class' and it does not bother me which one I am perceived as fitting into, but why would you be proud of being in any particular class?
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Interesting comment...I'm sure if I made the comment that I was middle/upper class and proud, the comments would be quite derogatory.

I've nothing against any 'class' and it does not bother me which one I am perceived as fitting into, but why would you be proud of being in any particular class?
Who cares eh? You are what you are...

I'm definitely from a middle class background, but it's kind of stupid because I was brought up with a single mum, parents split when they went bankrupt, went to a comprehensive when we couldn't afford private school anymore and didn't go to uni.

Doesn't sound so middle class, but I can tell a different story to make it sound very different.

The key thing is, before they split and the business went pop, Mummy and Daddy Scamp were very well off and well to do. Mummy never lost that attitude, even when we had very little she maintained absolute decorum and we sailed through as if we were much better than we technically were, now she's back to classic middle class financial status, she's like a pig in shit.
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Possibly, but I think it's how you hold and use your cutlery that matters most. Fish knives are a horrid petit bourgeois pretention too.

Of course, in this matter most Americans will fail miserably. I never cease to be amazed at how awkwardly many of them eat.


I should really to be commenting in the class thread on these issues.
It's a tough one, if you've never been taught / told off then you'll probably not know.

I hold my cutlery properly, I know that for sure. I definitely always hold both too. That was a stern look as first warning for a failure to comply.
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It's a tough one, if you've never been taught / told off then you'll probably not know.

I hold my cutlery properly, I know that for sure. I definitely always hold both too. That was a stern look as first warning for a failure to comply.
It's perfectly possible for people to educate themselves.
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It's perfectly possible for people to educate themselves.
Of course, but I've got mates who I know have been brought up well but will literally rest their chin at plates edge and use the fork as a rake.
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Who cares eh? You are what you are...

I'm definitely from a middle class background, but it's kind of stupid because I was brought up with a single mum, parents split when they went bankrupt, went to a comprehensive when we couldn't afford private school anymore and didn't go to uni.

Doesn't sound so middle class, but I can tell a different story to make it sound very different.
Sounds like an episode of The Inbetweeners.
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There's no such thing as social class in Britain today, if we're using the old definitions of class. The dynamics of the modern economy and political system is fundamentally different from the previous landed, mercantilist and capitalist economic and political models that not only underpinned the old class systems but also provided a legitimate justification for it.

This obsession with class has traditionally been a British characteristic but is one that is thankfully dying out and we're probably in the last stages of it. Class loyalty and notions of classism is probably strongest among sectors of the old working classes because they see themselves being left behind in the continuing evolution of the modern British state - seemingly abandoned by the more affluent (including former working class people who've become more economically successful) and the leadership of the Labour Party who are now more closely aligned with the interest of a new breed of liberal, progressive urban voters.

But for most people we merely identify with socio-economic cultural groups rather than a 'class'. The political, social and cultural influences of each group over other groups is minimal.

That's all there is to it.
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Sounds like an episode of The Inbetweeners.
Eurgh, you're one of those.
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There's no such thing as social class in Britain today, if we're using the old definitions of class. The dynamics of the modern economy and political system is fundamentally different from the previous landed, mercantilist and capitalist economic and political models that not only underpinned the old class systems but also provided a legitimate justification for it.

This obsession with class has traditionally been a British characteristic but is one that is thankfully dying out and we're probably in the last stages of it. Class loyalty and notions of classism is probably strongest among sectors of the old working classes because they see themselves being left behind in the continuing evolution of the modern British state - seemingly abandoned by the more affluent (including former working class people who've become more economically successful) and the leadership of the Labour Party who are now more closely aligned with the interest of a new breed of liberal, progressive urban voters.

But for most people we merely identify with socio-economic cultural groups rather than a 'class'. The political, social and cultural influences of each group over other groups is minimal.

That's all there is to it.
Your result wasn't 'elite' was it?
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