Tr1boy

In that regard yes, but it's a bit like bolted doors and empty stables really.

shiva

I don't honestly think they'd thought that far ahead. It was a "we want it built here" followed by " ok no problem but we will need ......, to do that" followed by "ah, um, are you sure we can't just build it in massafa?"

To their credit the local lads pretty quickly took on board what was involved and didn't do the usual blustering when they realised they were well out of their depth. I get the feeling someone further up the food chain had said it should all be built here when it was first put forwards as an idea

Boomhauer

I assume the major difficulty with building homegrown Satellites (for purposes of safeguarding against foreign backdoors) is the eletrical , eletronics and computer engineering aspects because the optics and materials science can be sourced from outside without fear of backdoors ?

So if I am right , how many decades do you think it would take Emiratis to come up to attain the computer science and eletronics knowhow to be able to design and build their own Spy Satellite?

shiva

Never unless there is a major change to the educational and political systems.

Whilst there are undoubtably bright students locally who are innovative and many who go overseas and certainly have the skills, the vast majority are not encouraged to be innovative.

A knowledge economy goes hand in hand with a way of thinking that is positively discouraged in this part of the world, freewheeling freethinking risk takers are not exactly what is wanted in a populace here.

There will be the skills already to reverse engineer systems and maybe even develop new ones but there is nowhere for people to do so.

There is a lot of talk locally about stuff that's designed and built locally but when you scratch the surface it usually isn't the case at all.

Millhouse

I'd like to see a clean room here.

mikewot

My living room very clean Yanni, every day maid is mopping!

shiva

Perfectly possible if you throw money at it and more importantly could educate the users regarding the idea behind it, actually on second thoughts that last bit would never happen

OleJanx

Are you sure you want to categorically state that it's horse manure?



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11...ms_huawei_ban/

Tr1boy

Your statement was that Australia doesn't let H anywhere near their telco infrastructure. That is patently false because the equipment is already there. Either you don't know what the NBN is and how it interacts with existing MDSS infrastructure, or you are just being obtuse.

And considering I personally negotiated some of the contracts to put H's equipment into that infrastructure , yes, I can categorically state that you're assumption that they don't have any equipment in Oz' telco equipment, is a big steaming pile horse manure that wouldn't even be good for the roses.

A statement that Oz has changed it's stance on letting H near it's NBN set in the future would be accurate.

OleJanx

OK, that seems fair enough. Truce?

Tr1boy

haha yeah, no worries

Personally I'd be more about the whole NBN set up and the constant change of federal Govs in Oz that either love it or hate it. The tax payer just want a good connection and it's getting batted around like a tennis ball. The public deserve better

When I moved to the UK a couple of years ago I was offered an interview at H but it wasn't a brand I wanted on my CV, and still isn't.

Boomhauer

So why did Aus go with Huawei earlier? They must have know about the security risk because they certainly aren't little kids to be naieve.

And in a similar vein why did British Telecom go with Huawei instead of Marconi. I know the standard explanation is cost but I don't buy that because of a) security risk b) Marconi costs more but is better tech and employs Brits so in the grand scheme of things Marconi would be cheaper .

Tr1boy

I don't really know why BT did, as when I came to the UK I was working for a rival network supplier to H. I do know they 'bought' a lot of business and in that regard I was sensing a lot of the excitement in the industry about getting things so cheaply, and that was attractive given the state of the UK's economy back then (bit better now).

When I changed jobs in Oz and moved from a hypermegaglobalsotwareweownyou conglomerate to a giant overlordgiveusyourfirstborn telco company in 2006, there was much of same excitement in Oz. I have to speak in generic terms (for obvious reasons) but there was a sense of one or two suppliers holding the market by the short and curlies and the added competition (and price) was welcome. Issues came when you had a mix of equipment in the same cluster and getting access to technically train staff to work on the stuff as the 'brick walls' went up very quickly.

Culturally Oz is tied to China probably moreso than the UK and walks a finer line in other areas (commodities etc), but they always kept a mix that could in theory (albeit expensive) be completely reversed. The UK seems to have somewhat sold the family silver to the lowest bidder.

I'm glad to be out of it all at the moment and back to the non network and IT side of things.

We are moving back to Oz mid year, so I'm sure I'll be sucked back into the vortex