londonyvonne

UK City Gent

Are you so true to your name that you care only about economics and not social or human costs?

Even economically, this model works. Japan is an example of a country which invests massively in education, training and employment for Japanese.





londonyvonne are you a serious fruitcake or have no simple economics training - basic 101 stuff ?[/QUOTE]

Paracletus

Japan's economy working? I am no economist..but for reals?

londonyvonne

It's working better than ours

Paracletus

'The problems of the 1990s may have been exacerbated by domestic policies intended to wring speculative excesses from the stock and real estate markets. With government efforts to revive economic growth throughout the 1990s unsuccessful, Junichiro Koizumi adopted policies to promote exports, effectively raising GDP on an average of 2.1% annually from 2003 to 2007. Subsequently, the global financial crisis and a collapse in domestic demand saw the economy shrink 1.2% in 2008 and 5.0% in 2009. Japan has the world's highest gross sovereign debt amounting at 225% of GDP or US$10.55 trillion.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Japan

londonyvonne

The Japanese economy is one of the third largest in the world. Only the USA and China have a higher GNP. http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e644.html

People often think of Japan as an indebted country. In fact, it is the world’s biggest creditor nation, boasting ¥253 trillion ($3.3 trillion) in net foreign assets. http://www.economist.com/node/21538745

Paracletus

So based on your logic, what do you think of the Chinese model then? It's experiencing massive growth.

UKCityGent

Sorry yvonne i cannot afford to be anything other than a realist. The UK does not invest in education, training or employment - it is privately funded to a greater extent - why else do Universities seek grants, foreign students, research funding and essentially sell their names (e.g. the John Moore family paid £22m to what is now called Liverpool John Moores University).

Japan will probably dip into deflation (again) - as domestic Japanese savings finance the debt but if the rate of interest goes down to having "normal" rates of interest and low inflation this will ensure that the debt dynamics will be become unsustainable very quickly. Japan does not fund Universities (there are a very small number of them compared to private businesses) - Private institutions accounted for nearly 80% of all university enrollments.

seven seas

why let facts get in the way?

Norm_uk

Did Britain have these chav types BEFORE the current massive state welfare programs and mass immigration?

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seven seas

mass immigration?
defined by being not composed of jutes, angles, saxons, vikings, danes, huguenots?

Boomhauer

I think it also has to do with mechanization , automation and technology. Life becoming soo much easier over the decades is a big part of why people started to become averse to hard work. That plus cheap processed junk food also might play a role.


I hope that I see in my lifetime, the oil rich Gulf running out of oil and wealth and the locals forced to actualy work for a living. Omanis take jobs some of the other Khaleejis would balk at . What would Kuwaitis, Emiratis,Qataris and Sunni Saudis do when the party ends?? Will it be a case of too many Chiefs and not enough Indians (pun intended)?

Norm_uk

All those groups were of similar ethnic/racial/cultural stock to the people already in Britain and all but one arrived over 1000 years ago and are part of the fabric of what makes Britain - we're likely related to most of them. Oh and most were invaders - if you want to compare modern mass immigration to violent invaders and colonists you're welcome to...sounds a bit BNP though doesn't it?

You forgot to add the Celts to your rather silly list - they aren't original inhabitants either. But perhaps we could get back to the question I raised rather than explore the ancient history of the Isles as some kind of justification for mass immigration (or invasion as your post alludes to) being a good thing...or needed...or something.

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Norm_uk

That's an issue humanity as a whole will face as we rely more on automation and technology for certain...but we're a long way off a race of cylons doing our laundry and wiping our bottoms for us. There are ethnical considerations as well as economic - who's going to pay for the automation when everyone except the inventors and makers of the machines doesn't have to work anymore.

The question at hand is was Britain full of chavs before the welfare state was deeply relied upon and mass immigration was set up by the government - say from 1945 going back to end of the Napoleonic era.

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Bahtatboy

"Even economically, this model works. Japan is an example of a country which invests massively in education, training and employment for Japanese."

Partly right (for the wrong reasons), partly wrong.

The so-called state universities in Japan are more expensive for students than the private ones.

On the other hand, Japan as a whole (rather than the state) invests a lot in training and education of its own people, and they don't have equal employment rights legislation (so foreigners have the same sort of rights as they do here, only its all done in the best possible taste).

But the Japanese economy is fercuked; numerous cities are broke; and the power of the yen is making long-term exporting look impossible.

Japanese interest rates have been zero or close to there for a long time.

The country still functions because of the large amount of money flowing internally, but that can't be sustainable for much longer.

weasel decentral

Never going back or going back after 5 or 10 years, what is exactly the difference to solving the countries current problems?

I am not questioning if they are still British or not, I am questioning the complaining from afar, especially in this case when ironically its complaining about people leaving. My irony meter broke with that post.