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Old Mar 16th 2010, 12:14 pm
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Suggest you try the red lion....i'm already here at fibbers.
How fast will I have to drive there from AD to get there in time for the next round? And are there any spee....................
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Old Mar 16th 2010, 12:19 pm
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Emirates road camera's will definitely flash at 140 and up, speed limited it 120
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Old Mar 16th 2010, 9:35 pm
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Well be careful on the Emirates Road / Arabian Ranches interchange. Going from Dubai side towards AR (on the Al Qudra / Bab al Shams road) there's a permanent 60kph sign followed by an engineering works 60kph sign. Nothing on the AR side going towards Dubai to indicate the same speed limit but occasionally a sneaky temporary camera is hidden. Saw it being picked up last weekend.

Be lucky ... and as others have said, look upwards. They're still sitting on the above mentioned interchange with hand held speed monitors.
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Originally Posted by Euc- View Post
Emirates road camera's will definitely flash at 140 and up, speed limited it 120
I passed one today at 145 and it didn't flash...

I'll know in 2-3 weeks time...
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Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
I passed one today at 145 and it didn't flash...

I'll know in 2-3 weeks time...
They do not all work, some do and some don't
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Old Mar 18th 2010, 5:08 am
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

I'll let others argue about the actual speed that sets the camera off, but bear in mind the Dubai Police's own list states that the first speeding fine kicks in when you exceed the posted speed limit by 20+ kph,....

Its the whole thing about tracking speed throughout the stretch of road. I remember seeing these go up and recognising them as those type. They were specifically designed to do exactly that.

However, the way the camera's were installed will not lend itself to this. The units have to be aligned correctly so there are no 'blank spots' in the system and you only have to look at the way some of them are aligned to see that they simply planted them in the ground willy-nilly and switched them on..

I am also not too sure if the connectivity the units need with each other was ever installed....
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Old Mar 18th 2010, 5:22 am
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Originally Posted by TGFKASE View Post
I'll let others argue about the actual speed that sets the camera off, but bear in mind the Dubai Police's own list states that the first speeding fine kicks in when you exceed the posted speed limit by 20+ kph,....

A word of warning.

We are currently in the process of adjusting speed camera trigger speed to the actual speed limit in areas where speeds are reduced for road works.
To illustrate - there are areas on Al Khail road that are currently posted 80kph due to the road works. Cameras are set for 120+ as the speed limit was 100kph....if this idea is adopted everywhere - those cameras will be set to 80kph....NO MARGIN.

Too many 'reduced speed areas' are being ignored.

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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Is there an official policy on the purpose of speed cameras?

Is it (a) to keep drivers' speeds down, or (b) to raise revenues from fines and penalties?

In the UK, we know it's (b) but over here................?
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Old Mar 18th 2010, 5:37 am
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Originally Posted by The Dean View Post
Is there an official policy on the purpose of speed cameras?

Is it (a) to keep drivers' speeds down, or (b) to raise revenues from fines and penalties?

In the UK, we know it's (b) but over here................?
People don't speed.....no funds are raised.

People that say it's a money making scheme are fools - especially those that contribute to it.

Road accidents cost the economy a small fortune, and cost the authorities who have to process accident data, clean up the mess, repair road furniture, the health care system etc etc etc.....and the majority of accidents are speed related.
If you're speeding - why shouldn't you contribute to the cost of speed related costs. It's almost a user pays system.

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Old Mar 18th 2010, 7:47 am
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

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If you're speeding - why shouldn't you contribute to the cost of speed related costs. It's almost a user pays system.
Speeding doesn't cause accidents, bad driving does.

If speed limits were set at a level appropriate to the road, then sensible people would obey them. On properly maintained AND policed roads (policed for bad driving, not just speeding), why should it be "safe" to drive in Germany at 200kph+ but only up to 70mph in UK? Doesn't make sense.

Japan's the worst offending country--there's an 8-lane expressway between Kobe and Osaka where the speed limit is 40kph, and its a crazy place to be because its all stop-start as everybody slows down for the fixed speed cameras then speeds up again. Not as bad here, but I wish there was some focus on bad driving and not just on speeding.
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Old Mar 18th 2010, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy View Post
Speeding doesn't cause accidents, bad driving does.

If speed limits were set at a level appropriate to the road, then sensible people would obey them. On properly maintained AND policed roads (policed for bad driving, not just speeding), why should it be "safe" to drive in Germany at 200kph+ but only up to 70mph in UK? Doesn't make sense.
It does make sense.

Germany has strict controls in place for those that wish to drive on the Autobahn.
Cars are tested to higher standards and I think you need a licence (over and above that of a standard licence to drive on the autobahn.

Also, the design standards are higher (and safer) on the autobahn than for say, the M40.

In the other countries such as the UK we could have roads without speed limits but the road geometry would have to be smoothed out further (at great cost), road furniture (such as barrier systems) improved all of which comes at great cost against not so great a benefit.


Furthermore it's not just about setting speed limits appropriate to the road. Once you get to speeds of 100k+ it's about setting speeds appropriate to the standard fleet of vehicles operating in that country, standards appropriate to the level of control on licencing, standards appropriate to the level of design and protection in the event that things go wrong (mechanical failure, medical issues, driver fatigue, distractions etc etc etc etc).


and furthermore, speeding = bad driving. They are not mutually exclusive.

Is Lewis hamilton a bad driver because of the speeds he attains? No....because he's not actually speeding. He's going fast - sure....be he's going fast in a highly maintained vehicle, with a high level of training, on a highly protected track. 'Speeding' and 'going fast' are not the same thing.

Speeding is exceeding appropriate speeds. Going fast can be appropropriate in certain conditions.

Is it logical to make everyone achieve a similar level of training and safety and logical for RTA to provide such highly designed roads and then let us drive at 200+???

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Old Mar 18th 2010, 8:48 am
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy View Post
I wish there was some focus on bad driving and not just on speeding.
It's about cost vs benefits.
In utopia, sure, there'd be unlimited funds to finance higher training and a public willingness to go through that higher training (cost and time) until we completely eliminated all human error from the roads.

That is unattainable (look at the airline industry and how rigorous that is - including accident analysis for future prevention) and they still have an accident rate many consider too high even though it's the safest form of transport.

Fact, is....bad driving will always exist because we are human. We are tired sometimes, distracted sometimes, absent minded sometimes etc etc etc. and some are simply poor drivers (poor spacial awareness etc)
Speeding only serves to exaggerate the effect of bad driving.

It's simply more cost effective to police speeding as a priority.
We complain when our car registration fees are raised yet we complain there aren't enough police on the roads.
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Default Re: For those that think the speed camera trigger is the speed limit...

Fair comment, Jeeper. Have almost lost the will to live (not coz of your detailed reply)--will now drive sedately to the pub and leave the car there (as always).
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