Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 11532666)

Uuuummm atheists do not believe in something, they just do not believe in religion/magic sky fairy. To say that atheists believe in something is like saying that bald is a hair colour.
I was raised with religion but I was never convinced so let all that slide. My kids could choose either way, I never attempted to influence them on that. Holding my hand to cross the road yes. Do not take sweets from strangers yes. Which sky fairy is the 'right' one, not so much.

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11532852)

dont you think the lack of believe is also sort of like an agreement with oneself as well?
After all an agreement with oneself is the true meaning of a belief right?

Originally Posted by Irishbeekeeper (Post 11532836)

*** those certain posters mate, lost cause imho!
Yes I agree with the fact that it is more binary in Islam as far as internal debates go, but only with certain sects of Islam. The Sufi school of thought allows for more debate (kalam) and is more open to the allowance of changes with the time and the socio / political factors surrounding that particular society in that particular time frame.

The Salafis reject speculative philosophy (kalam) that involves discourse and debate in the development of the Islamic creed. They consider this process a foreign import from Greek philosophy, alien to the original practice of Islam.

Wahhabis reject Islamic "theology" (kalam) in favor of strict textualism in interpreting the Quran, and are sometimes described as being in the Athari school.

Originally Posted by redShark (Post 11532139)

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What the hell!! Are you suggesting that because of the actions of a few hundreds misguided Muslims, one fifth of the human population should be ashamed and abandon their faith!!! I tell who is the one that should be ashamed of himself- it is the one who support or associate himself with a state that only a few months ago killed 500 children and made thousands others homeless and living in tents under a freezing cold weather as we speak right now.

Originally Posted by northbadawi (Post 11533276)