Snap Election 8 June!
Apr 25th 2017, 1:04 pm
#91
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
why let the facts get in the way that in the 1930 elections the nazi's gained significant strength and influence with only 18pct of the vote. A FPTP system would have allowed a strong government to stand against their rise and they would never have reached the 33pct they achieved in 1932.
there are many problems with a FPTP system but it's big positive is it allows for the formation of strong stable government.
I'm sure many of those favouring PR would not be happy with the representation that would have given UKIP in Parliament.
there are many problems with a FPTP system but it's big positive is it allows for the formation of strong stable government.
I'm sure many of those favouring PR would not be happy with the representation that would have given UKIP in Parliament.
As for FPTP creating strong stable government, that is just a myth with no evidence to support it. Which European country has consistently had the strongest and most stable government since WW2? Hint, the answer is country we have already been discussing and which uses a proportional voting system... As opposed to 1974 in the UK, for example.
PR usually produces strong governments because it reflects the actual will of the people even if the process of initially forming governments takes longer. Where there is weakness and instability that is a reflection of the wider political climate rather than the voting system. FPTP often produces false mandates which leads to wild swings in governance and a high degree of alienation as is happening in the US because of the highly gerrymandered congressional FPTP elections. FPTP is far more subject to abuses such as gerrymandering.
Apr 27th 2017, 8:31 am
#92
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Though I oppose UKIP both on grounds of policy and approach, they should have received their fair representation. And ironically, if the last UK election had been under a proportional system it would have allowed the formation of a government which would not have gone ahead with that bone-headed referendum offering a completely false choice.
As for FPTP creating strong stable government, that is just a myth with no evidence to support it. Which European country has consistently had the strongest and most stable government since WW2? Hint, the answer is country we have already been discussing and which uses a proportional voting system... As opposed to 1974 in the UK, for example.
PR usually produces strong governments because it reflects the actual will of the people even if the process of initially forming governments takes longer. Where there is weakness and instability that is a reflection of the wider political climate rather than the voting system. FPTP often produces false mandates which leads to wild swings in governance and a high degree of alienation as is happening in the US because of the highly gerrymandered congressional FPTP elections. FPTP is far more subject to abuses such as gerrymandering.
As for FPTP creating strong stable government, that is just a myth with no evidence to support it. Which European country has consistently had the strongest and most stable government since WW2? Hint, the answer is country we have already been discussing and which uses a proportional voting system... As opposed to 1974 in the UK, for example.
PR usually produces strong governments because it reflects the actual will of the people even if the process of initially forming governments takes longer. Where there is weakness and instability that is a reflection of the wider political climate rather than the voting system. FPTP often produces false mandates which leads to wild swings in governance and a high degree of alienation as is happening in the US because of the highly gerrymandered congressional FPTP elections. FPTP is far more subject to abuses such as gerrymandering.
Please don't say "strong and stable". May has been repeating that phrase constantly and it's getting seriously irritating.
Apr 28th 2017, 9:16 am
#95
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Hello, hello!
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs!
I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories.
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs!
I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories.
Last edited by littlejimmy; Apr 28th 2017 at 9:18 am.
Apr 28th 2017, 11:52 am
#96
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Hello, hello!
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs!
I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories.
I still look in from time to time to make sure it's not been completely taken over by RWNJs!
I still have a notion to try living/working in the ME again, like. It's pretty much 10 years since I left Dubai. I've been reading WeaselDCentral's book too, which has fired up some memories.
Sadly they're losing worldwide now as the more sensible of us can see the error of their ways.
Last edited by IKnowNothing; Apr 28th 2017 at 11:56 am.
Apr 29th 2017, 5:45 pm
#97
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
The LWNJ (A person who removes reasoning, logic, and common sense from their decision making process, instead basing their decisions solely on emotional responses) are worse, and they have pretty much the entire worldwide media on their side.
Sadly they're losing worldwide now as the more sensible of us can see the error of their ways.
Sadly they're losing worldwide now as the more sensible of us can see the error of their ways.
Last edited by littlejimmy; Apr 29th 2017 at 5:47 pm.
Apr 30th 2017, 7:16 am
#99
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Re: Snap Election 8 June!
Apr 30th 2017, 2:15 pm
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Should've known... 
