Smoggie - guilty or not guilty
Jun 11th 2012, 8:13 am
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Ag she was from the North East so being guilty of that is enough for 20 years in an Indonesian jail, surely. Finding the coke was just the icing on the cake.
She must be thick as shite. Runs off to live in a mud hut in India with the chipati maker from a curry house in the Boro and her Kids are all scum and jail birds. And my is it ugly.
She must be thick as shite. Runs off to live in a mud hut in India with the chipati maker from a curry house in the Boro and her Kids are all scum and jail birds. And my is it ugly.
Jun 11th 2012, 8:17 am
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My parents had 10 children, two of whom have spent time in jail. Neither of my parents have ever been in trouble with the law. Actually, that's not true - my father was cited once for being a pro-choice protester.
My own son has spent time in jail (juvenile facility) yet neither my husband nor myself have ever been in jail.
It's ludicrous to say that because a child is in jail that the parents must be criminals as well.
"To a certain extent. But I firmly believe you are a product of your environment. Parents should be partly looking at themselves if their kid is a complete **** up."
Again, in my own personal circumstance 8/10 of my parents' children are not **** ups. 2/3 of my children are not **** ups. Neither of my parents and none of my children's parents are **** ups either.
My own son has spent time in jail (juvenile facility) yet neither my husband nor myself have ever been in jail.
It's ludicrous to say that because a child is in jail that the parents must be criminals as well.
"To a certain extent. But I firmly believe you are a product of your environment. Parents should be partly looking at themselves if their kid is a complete **** up."
Again, in my own personal circumstance 8/10 of my parents' children are not **** ups. 2/3 of my children are not **** ups. Neither of my parents and none of my children's parents are **** ups either.
I didn't say the parent's were criminals as well. I believe a kid is a product of their environment. If someone doesn't know right and wrong and how to control themselves by the time they are a teenager and end up in trouble, who is to blame? Are kids meant to bring themselves up?
Jun 11th 2012, 8:43 am
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To be honest, I don't really know what to say to all that.
I didn't say the parent's were criminals as well. I believe a kid is a product of their environment. If someone doesn't know right and wrong and how to control themselves by the time they are a teenager and end up in trouble, who is to blame? Are kids meant to bring themselves up?
I didn't say the parent's were criminals as well. I believe a kid is a product of their environment. If someone doesn't know right and wrong and how to control themselves by the time they are a teenager and end up in trouble, who is to blame? Are kids meant to bring themselves up?
Jun 11th 2012, 8:44 am
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To be honest, I don't really know what to say to all that.
I didn't say the parent's were criminals as well. I believe a kid is a product of their environment. If someone doesn't know right and wrong and how to control themselves by the time they are a teenager and end up in trouble, who is to blame? Are kids meant to bring themselves up?
I didn't say the parent's were criminals as well. I believe a kid is a product of their environment. If someone doesn't know right and wrong and how to control themselves by the time they are a teenager and end up in trouble, who is to blame? Are kids meant to bring themselves up?
She seems to fit into that role of "Alien was the Father of my child, but Husband calls me a Slag!" - Sunday Sport!
With regard to 'Are kids meant to bring themselves up?' - All I can say is that 'Strangulation at Birth' would be fitting solution, in certain circumstances!
Jun 11th 2012, 8:46 am
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Of course not but if, as in Dorothy's case, 8 out of 10 are fine upstanding members of the community, did the parents fail the other two or did those two decide to ignore the parents teaching and go their own way? Do you blame Dorothy's parents or do you congratulate them for succeeding with 8/10?
Personally, I think if you can make one child understand basic rights / wrongs of life then replicating it twice, three times, 10 times, 100 times should be achievable...
That being said, I can imagine it's difficult it is to raise 10 kids.
Jun 11th 2012, 11:55 am
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Re: Smoggie - guilty or not guilty
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
Personally, I think if you can make one child understand basic rights / wrongs of life then replicating it twice, three times, 10 times, 100 times should be achievable...
That being said, I can imagine it's difficult it is to raise 10 kids.
Personally, I think if you can make one child understand basic rights / wrongs of life then replicating it twice, three times, 10 times, 100 times should be achievable...
That being said, I can imagine it's difficult it is to raise 10 kids.
In addition you're getting into pareto principle territory (also known as 80/20 rule) once you have so many kids and surprisingly Dorothy's stats are right on the money....
Jun 11th 2012, 12:14 pm
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You may be right Scamp, but once you go into double digits I think it is reasonable to believe that your attention as a good parent is not sufficient to cover all kids equally.
In addition you're getting into pareto principle territory (also known as 80/20 rule) once you have so many kids and surprisingly Dorothy's stats are right on the money....
In addition you're getting into pareto principle territory (also known as 80/20 rule) once you have so many kids and surprisingly Dorothy's stats are right on the money....
Jun 11th 2012, 12:40 pm
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Re: Smoggie - guilty or not guilty
That's up to you to decide for yourself.
Personally, I think if you can make one child understand basic rights / wrongs of life then replicating it twice, three times, 10 times, 100 times should be achievable...
That being said, I can imagine it's difficult it is to raise 10 kids.
Personally, I think if you can make one child understand basic rights / wrongs of life then replicating it twice, three times, 10 times, 100 times should be achievable...
That being said, I can imagine it's difficult it is to raise 10 kids.
I've got two girls, chalk and cheese, sometimes they're convinced the other one is an alien. They know the difference between right and wrong but that doesn't mean that outside influences can't or won't jump in and **** things up. It's not as simple as being down to the parents.
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Jun 11th 2012, 12:49 pm
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But children are human beings and so all completely individual, just because they're all brought up the same by the same parents in the same house, can never mean they will all turn out the same:confused I've got two girls, chalk and cheese, sometimes they're convinced the other one is an alien. They know the difference between right and wrong but that doesn't mean that outside influences can't or won't jump in and **** things up. It's not as simple as being down to the parents.
There is no grey when it comes to right or wrong! If the parents are not making this sufficiently clear then I'm afraid it is their own fault that their kids turn out as f**ckups.
(of course kids as human beings have free will to ultimately do the opposite or choose to be bad despite their parents trying everything to avoid it..)
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Jun 11th 2012, 2:06 pm
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My sister & her husband are quite well off, both kids went to top of the range schools, loving family, stable childhood and had exactly the same advantages. One now - top of her class with Honours with sponsored post grad + job lined up. The other... My congratulations on him reaching 18 'Congratulations.. you can now officially be tried as an adult'...
Jun 11th 2012, 6:55 pm
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Re: Smoggie - guilty or not guilty
Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man
Never a truer phrase said.
Scumbag smoggy roman catholic dross breeding with scumbag smoggy RC dross = nuclear physicist or poet laureate offspring ?
Never a truer phrase said.
Scumbag smoggy roman catholic dross breeding with scumbag smoggy RC dross = nuclear physicist or poet laureate offspring ?
Jun 11th 2012, 8:42 pm
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I think sad ugly munter that was sold she wouldn't get caught (cos she's sad ugly munter). Personally, if i was ever going to smuggle drugs I wouldn't choose said SUM, I'd be a bit sharper and use a regular traveller....
Just saying.
Just saying.
Jun 12th 2012, 7:48 am
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she is guilty, but I am surprised she didn't try carry the drugs "internally". She looks like she has the capacity and for sure the police wouldn't want to go there. Even the sniffer dog would have more respect for his nose.
Jun 12th 2012, 8:05 am
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Were you interfered with by priests as a lad or something?
she is guilty, but I am surprised she didn't try carry the drugs "internally". She looks like she has the capacity and for sure the police wouldn't want to go there. Even the sniffer dog would have more respect for his nose.
she is guilty, but I am surprised she didn't try carry the drugs "internally". She looks like she has the capacity and for sure the police wouldn't want to go there. Even the sniffer dog would have more respect for his nose.
